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Well I just spent way too long playing with notepad and calculator - this is what I've come up with as a best fit to the current numbers AND it gives a very even curve:
 
Well I just spent way too long playing with notepad and calculator - this is what I've come up with as a best fit to the current numbers AND it gives a very even curve:
   
100= 250
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100= 250<br>
95 = 500
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95 = 500<br>
90 = 500*1.25 = 625
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90 = 500*1.25 = 625<br>
85 = 500*1.5 = 750
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85 = 500*1.5 = 750<br>
80 = 500*1.75 = 875
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80 = 500*1.75 = 875<br>
75 = 500*2.1 = 1050
+
75 = 500*2.1 = 1050<br>
70 = 500*2.55 = 1275
+
70 = 500*2.55 = 1275<br>
65 = 500*3.05 = 1525
+
65 = 500*3.05 = 1525<br>
60 = 500*3.65 = 1825
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60 = 500*3.65 = 1825<br>
55 = 500*4.35 = 2175
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55 = 500*4.35 = 2175<br>
50 = 500*5.15 = 2575
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50 = 500*5.15 = 2575<br>
45 = 500*6.05 = 3025
+
45 = 500*6.05 = 3025<br>
40 = 500*7 = 3500
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40 = 500*7 = 3500<br>
35 = 500*8.75 = 4375
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35 = 500*8.75 = 4375<br>
30 = 500*10.5 = 5250
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30 = 500*10.5 = 5250<br>
25 = 500*12.25= 1625
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25 = 500*12.25= 1625<br>
20 = 500*14 = 7000
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20 = 500*14 = 7000<br>
15 = 500*15.75= 7575
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15 = 500*15.75= 7575<br>
10 = 500*17.5 = 8750
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10 = 500*17.5 = 8750<br>
05 = 500*19.25= 9625
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05 = 500*19.25= 9625<br>
00 = 500*21 = 10500
+
00 = 500*21 = 10500<br>
   
 
Then again, all the numbers we've seen so far could be wrong *shrug* --[[User:Blazza|Blazza]] 03:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 
Then again, all the numbers we've seen so far could be wrong *shrug* --[[User:Blazza|Blazza]] 03:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:46, 23 September 2008

It's confirmed that it's 250 weapon skill points if you have a runic key, the rest is just what I've heard, however I have a few friends that have managed to acquire nyzul weapons when doing runs on other peoples discs, and therefor have not completed any floors for themselves (one has completed up to floor 5 lol). These guys have been doing weapon skills all day and have yet to unlock their weapon, so it may actually be true that it's 5250 points required with no floors completed. Certainly the text from the quest npc suggests quite strongly that the further you have completed in nyzul isle the easier it will be. --Blazza 15:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I wonder, are the WS points set when you start the quest? Or if you complete more floors of nyzule after activating the quest, if it will lower the amount you need. Xyonblade Xyon, September 10, 7:14 am PST

I was wondering that exact same thing myself. I'm not going to test it to find out personally, because I don't have my weapon yet and I don't have any floors cleared. Even if I get my weapon before level 100, and we finish our 5 weekly runs on floor 95, I still won't test it, I'd rather wait a few more days or a week to get my runic key before doing even an extra 250 weapon skill points (soooo boring). But maybe my friends who have started spamming weapon skills will doa nyzul isle run clearing their disc to a new floor and all of a sudden have their weaponskill? I doubt it though, I'd have to assume it's taken from when you speak to the npc. However you could probably speak to him again if you clear an extra 25 floors in a night to save you 1250 ws points. --Blazza 14:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking the way to do it, is have your weapon, start the quest when you've got the 95th floor. Complete the 100th floor and have your runic key, and then do 250 weapon skill points to see if you unlock the weaponskill. Xyonblade 00:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
That's pretty much what I was saying, but screw doing a possible extra 250 wsp just to test a theory lol --Blazza 00:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I've read forum posts about people that unlocked the weapon by first doing 250+ weaponskills, then finishing floor 100. The weapon skill appeared in their list after exiting. This would suggest that it does not matter which floor you are on when starting the quest. The required number is calculated as opposed to fixed. --Seedling 11:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Damn, good to know, I guess I should start the quest and use it in every day use then lol --Blazza 11:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Partial Unlocks

It is possible to "clear up to" floors that are not a multiple of five, and Sorrowful Sage will verify these awkward levels. Is it possible that it could be 50 WSP to a floor, rather than a blocky 250 to a quintet? --Taeria Saethori 04:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Very true, our average run is about 7 floors, it's still counted as a successful run as long as you leave via the rune, but you can only ENTER on every 5th +1 floor. I've never checked sorrowful sage because we've not been using my disk. But yeah, 50 wsp per floor could well be true (+250) --Blazza 04:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

"(The above information about WS points needed regarding progress in Nyzul Isle needs more testing. I myself have my Runic Disc to floor 90 but managed to get access to my weaponskill after 682 points with margin of error 15+/-)" This was added to the main page by Laoiyah.
Laoiyah, we are aware that it needs more testing, hence the Verification Needed tag next to it. Please use the talk page for this sort of thing. Also, while you may currently be able to enter nyzul isle from floor 91 only, can you please confirm that you have actually only finished up to 90. If you have in fact, finished up to floor 92 (or 91 allowing a slightly higher margin for error), then you would still only be able to start from floor 91, but it would actually confirm the 50 weapon skill points per floor that we were discussing. It is still looking very much like a formula of 5250 - (floors completed * 50). --Blazza 01:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Weapon skill point accumulated

Apparently it does work to do WS points and clear the floors after accepting the quest. i am currently on floor 25. i started the quest for BLU as i was on Floor 5. the message i get now after serveral WS point partys is the 2nd message. i talked to Zalsuhm again to unlock WHM and i get with 25 floors cleared still the first message ( no WS points done yet). i will investigate this further once i reached floor 50 and look at the messages again ( its fortunate to have alot of 75 jobs) User:Windwhisper 16.09.08 12:40 CET+1

I'm not totally sure I know what you're trying to say, but each job is a different quest, so the ws's you've done on blu bare no relevance to your whm quest. If you were still getting first message after a heap of wsp's, and then cleared some more floors, and THEN got the second message without any more points, that would be good. --Blazza 11:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Using Level Sync to earn WS Points

I was wondering: Is it possible to use Level Sync and still earn WS Points ? That would be awesome to use Octave Club for example, Level sync 72 and Spam WS in Kuftal Tunnel or Quicksand caves. But, since Nyzul Isle Weapon are Lv. 75, will it still earn WS Points on it ? Does anyone test it before ? -- Sephirothknight

Damn that's a good question, if I had an octave club I'd love to test it out. Only problem being you'd have to go back to level 72 to get full use of octave club, AND you'd want someone to keep up with your tp gain, because if you're solo'ing ws's rather than closing darkness/light, you'd need to do 5 times as many anyway. They would also still need to be easy prey mobs, which are slightly more annoying without utsu:ni. Also, is there an upper limit on level sync? --Blazza 14:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah! Still need someone on level 72 to Sync with. Its not that hard because there's a ton of ppl Skilling up @ Kuftal Tunnel anyway, then will be able to use Octave Club with all its 2-8 hits :-D. I did before for my Sword Trial and got all SC Points in a few hours w/o Skillchain (My buddy was leveling Polearm, so...) Anyway, I will try to do that again with Swordbreaker and checking NPC after a few tries to see if WS Points still land. -- Sephirothknight
lol, you can get 250 wsp's in like, an hour/ hour and a half anyway. I was on blu opening for my rdm friend, red lotus blade > circle blade for fusion, and cannonball > savage blade for light every second SC when chain affinity was up, super quick. --Blazza 14:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL! Nice! But.. the main point is... Is it possible to Lv. Sync 72 and still earn WS Points ? I will try to test this week and I will put the results here.. I just hope it works. Just a "laugh time". I called GM to ask about Level Sync and Weapon Skill Points and GM didnt have any clue about it! He said to check this out at community sites :-D (soooo lame...) -- Sephirothknight
Yeh... that's not really what GM's are for... --Blazza 02:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
You do know tho, that you only get the 3 points for fusion when you close the SC , right? otherwise its only 1 point for the initial WS itself. so opening for your RDM friend on both WSs as it sound you did would have made you to 250 WS to earn 250 points, which takes much longer to accumulate than 1,5h. Windwhisper 0:15 , 17 septemver 2008 (UTC+1)
Yeah, but its better than nothing tho. Anyway I still have to test Level Sync I did like 20 WS Points (solo/oppening SC) with Octave Club in off-hand in less than 10 minutes, which is really great while your just farming seals Kuftal Tunnel or just got a Skill UP Party . Although it would be better if you're able to get 100th floor on Nyzul Isle Investigation [User:Sephirothknight|Sephirothknight]]
I was just opening for my friend, I was using my wightslayer for shits and giggles, but I'm only on floor 15, I'm waiting till 100 --Blazza 01:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Maintenance change to ws points?

  • The emergency mantience was to correct the problem with WS points. the ammount of points gained before the update were gained in double the ammount, AKA light skill chains were giving 10 points. hence why people thought the required ammount was 5000, this was infact incorrect due to the square enix mantinence. way to go SE.
  • according to GM Kondros this Formula is Untrue. 3280 points(verifyied with both calculator and a third party WSpoint checker) and a level 40 disk did not unlock mandalic stab.
Hideka, please learn to use the preview button, the talk page, and learn how to spell before editing pages directly. I have heard a rumor about this just yesterday but have been unable to find any confirmation. The above does not belong on the actual page, nor is it confirmed to be true (although neither was 5250, hence the verification tag). However, I'd gladly see the verification tag removed if anyone has EVER heard of a GM using third party software, or doing ws's, or giving any advice on game mechanics whatsoever. And frankly, I'm in a shitty mood today and your mutilation of the English language offends me, so I took it down. --Blazza 02:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

WSP Needed Log

To figure out once and for all how many Weapon Skill points are necessary to unlock this weapon, we should probably work together and catalog just how many WSP it took to unlock our weapon skill, and what floor of Nyzul we were unlocked to. I don't have a weapon of my own yet, but I plan to add to this as soon as possible.

Until then, we should log down how many WSPs we had at the time we unlocked our WS, how many floors of Nyzul we cleared (down to the specific floor), and, if applicable, whether we unlocked the WS by decreasing the maximum (clearing more Nyzul) rather than by gaining more WSP. --Taeria Saethori 03:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well since I'm lazy like that, I've decided I'm not touching mine until I hit floor 100. So if it's not confirmed before then I'll be able to report whether it was 250 or 500. Although my friend unlocked his third ws last night (bastard), and I know he's a counter, so I'll ask him when he logs on. That still won't confirm if it's 100 per floor though. --Blazza 03:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Scratch that, it was still 250 points required as of ~14-15 hours ago. Also, after checking a lot of forums and from what a friends forum has found on a JP website (dodgy 4th hand information) there is a very strange formula:
500 points for floor 95, that much we know.
floor 90 = 500 (floor 95) x 1.25 = 625
floor 85 = floor 95 x 1.5 = 750
floor 80 = floor 95 x 1.75 = 875
floor 75 = floor 80 x 1.25 = 1093
floor 70 = floor 80 x 1.5 = 1312
floor 40 = 3500
floor 35 = 4375
floor 30 = 5250
floor 25 = 6125
floor 20 = 7000
That's all I've got, hopefully someone can find the actual formula, or just look at what's there and work it out, but these numbers tie in with everything I've read on all forums. Also fits in perfectly with what Laoiyah said further up the page.
However, it is also confirmed that it is based per floor, not per 5 floors, and that you can aquire say, 875 points, then move up to floor 80 and it will unlock.
I take it there's no point me telling kimari to read this page before editing the main page again?

According to what I posted here: http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2241938&postcount=1109 It seems that at Floor 5, according to a JP player, it's 12,000 points when he unlocked Stringing Pummel. At Floor 90, it is 680 points. Therefore, with that conclusion, I assume that Floor 0 is somewhere close to 15,000 or somewhere higher than 13,000 points. --Octoberasian 20:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The following reports were gleaned from the BG thread on the subject (reports in parens), imposed upon the pattern listed above:
100 250
95 500
90 625 (680, 680) -- 8.8% off
85 750 (700) -- 6.7% off
80 875 (859, 900, 1111) -- 1.8%, 2.9%, and 27% off
75 1093
70 1312
65 1531
60 1750 (1715) -- 2% off
55 2187 (2250, 2320) -- 2.9%, 6.1% off
50 2625
45 3062 (2625, 2645) -- 14.3%, 13.6% off
40 3500 (2800, 3525, 3521, < 3600--floor jump) -- 20%, 0.7%, 0.6% off
35 4375 (4640) -- 6.1% off
30 5250 (5316, < 5511--floor jump) -- 1.3% off
25 6125 ( > 5000 )
20 7000 (7045) -- 0.6% off
15 8750 (8596--floor 19, though) -- 1.8% off
10 10500
5 12250 (12000) -- 2% off
0 14000

--Thanacus 22:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks heaps for that Thanacus. While it seems to be damn hard to get entirely accurate figures on this, I know one thing for sure. I'm doing the right thing by waiting til I get floor 100 lol. At least with my group I know I can get at least 25 floors a week (when everyone shows up) --Blazza 03:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there any information on any changes if you continue sweeping floors during the WSP process? --Charles Guillen 01:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Some more confirmation on this would be good, but according to Seedling's post up the top, people have done 250+ wsp's then finished floor 100, and the ws was available when they came out. I'm hoping this is correct and it's not simply a case of "I don't care what floor you're on NOW, you were on floor 5 when you started, so you'll be doing 10,000 wsp's thank you very much." I'm assuming it is correct, so I've started my quest and will do my 250+ ws's (I'm at around 50.. no rush :p). And I'll let you know when I hit floor 100 in about 2 weeks. --Blazza 02:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I just spent way too long playing with notepad and calculator - this is what I've come up with as a best fit to the current numbers AND it gives a very even curve:

100= 250
95 = 500
90 = 500*1.25 = 625
85 = 500*1.5 = 750
80 = 500*1.75 = 875
75 = 500*2.1 = 1050
70 = 500*2.55 = 1275
65 = 500*3.05 = 1525
60 = 500*3.65 = 1825
55 = 500*4.35 = 2175
50 = 500*5.15 = 2575
45 = 500*6.05 = 3025
40 = 500*7 = 3500
35 = 500*8.75 = 4375
30 = 500*10.5 = 5250
25 = 500*12.25= 1625
20 = 500*14 = 7000
15 = 500*15.75= 7575
10 = 500*17.5 = 8750
05 = 500*19.25= 9625
00 = 500*21 = 10500

Then again, all the numbers we've seen so far could be wrong *shrug* --Blazza 03:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Level Usage?

Does anyone know if the WS are 75 only(like how merits activate) or if they unlock at a certain level/skill? (level sync purposes) --Nemye 08:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that you can unlock the ws with any amount of skill (have seen a screen shot of one of them in the ws list with only 4 other weapon skills). However, they can't be used in level sync at 62 (closest I have to 75), and as you need to be 75 to unlock it, (that's what level the nyzul weapons are) it's fairly safe to assume it's 75 only. --Blazza 13:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)