Could anyone tell me where does Shantotto appear with these looks in the game? Thanks, --Sarirodord (talk) 14:56, October 14, 2016 (UTC)
- She doesn't. This Trust is the only place she looks like this. --Kyrie (talk) 03:11, October 20, 2016 (UTC)
Auto-Attacks
Per https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wF6NsovdawSiHo39OFeGxAW-KirP5oZ9d9-aJRG1ItE/edit#heading=h.v4pohu2j8rij "Special (dark)" and BG Wiki, her auto-attacks are dark elemental, not physical.--Snorglepuss (talk) 20:39, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
Here's a log of a recent fight against Promathia's CoP Mission battlefield.
As soon as Wheel of Impregnability takes effect all of my auto attacks stop doing damage. Same for every one of my trusts except for Amchuchu, who has a Rune Enhancement active and can get small amounts of AE Magic damage through the shield. I submit this as evidence for Shantotto II's auto-attacks being physical and not magic damage. Further testing is required to see if it's actually typeless damage or hand-to-hand, as the JP Wiki suggests. ToastTheKnowing (talk) 00:48, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
I'm kinda confused by this. Does Rune Enchantment normally do approximately the same amount of damage that Shantotto II's non-casting damage does, as it seems like RE got thru greatly reduced (21 AE)? Would the amount of non-casting damage Shantotto II does normally be able to make it thru after also being reduced by Wheel of Impregnability? Wouldn't fighting a mob that uses either some type of Physical Shield, or some type of Magic Shield, not both, show better which type of damage she does? Also, a linkshell mate said he's regularly seen/used her "swing" count as kill shot on magic damage limited time challenge RoEs. That would seem to be definitive. Waiting to see if you agree before changing it back to magical damage.--Snorglepuss (talk) 05:39, August 30, 2018 (UTC)
Wheel of Impregnability is a complete physical immunity barrier, not a damage reduction shield. If Shanttoto's auto-attacks are all magical, they'd be doing damage just like Amchuchu's Ehancements. There must be some kind of physical component to them.
That said I did more testing. I had her swing at some Ru'Avitau elementals, to see if there's any truth to her damage type being dark or not. I suspect the answer is not. Unbuffed, attack capped swings against a Water Elemental did the same damage as that against a Dark Elemental.
I then took her into Dynamis and had her swing at a Paladin after it used Invincible. Damage got through. So there's some magic component to her damage type, which explains why it counts for killing blows on Magic Damage Kill RoE objectives. But it sure as heck isn't Dark Elemental type.
I also got a THF mob in the same pull and her auto-attacks went through Perfect Dodge, so at least we can rule out the damage type being normal melee (PD gets hit by magic and ranged)
I think more testing can be done to narrow down her specific damage type. The promathia logs tells me it's not as simple as 'dark magic damage,' but it busting through Invincible means it's still conclusively some type of magic damage, but what type means having her swing at a lot more mobs of varying elemental resistance. The game does have a 'typeless' magic damage mechanic (Mijin Gakure, Meteor) but it's late and the elementals in sky are pretty heavily culled thanks to this month's Ambuscade. ToastTheKnowing (talk) 06:58, August 30, 2018 (UTC)
I misread your notation on your screenshot as WoI creating both physical & magic immunity, my fault for not wearing my glasses, or I wouldn't have made the comments I made re it, erp. Ajido-Marujido's notes reference his non-casting attack being akin to mammets' damage (Mammet-19 Epsilon "hand form"), like missiles shooting out of his hands. It seems like it's a hybrid ranged physical attack that shoots magical "projectiles", so is stopped by certain physical shields, but still counts as magical dmg when it lands. Maybe damage diminishing with distance has something to do with it. Perhaps the fact that WoI can block either has something to do with it; it's mysterious.--Snorglepuss (talk) 02:59, August 31, 2018 (UTC)
It also appears that the Zilart Trust: Selh'teus & Trust: Mildaurion have the same type of attack.--Snorglepuss (talk) 03:27, August 31, 2018 (UTC)
A lot of alter-egos have that property to their auto-attacks but I don't know where to find a definitive source on the type and haven't invested the time to bring them to the zones where testing is possible. Alter Ego damage types are weird. Behold, the only official source of info on Trust Weapon Skill types is a JP forum post because trusts don't always use a visible (or equipped) weapon to perform them.
- Shantotto II (Hand-to-Hand)
- Arciela II (Hand-to-Hand)
- Gessho (Katana)
- Mildaurion (Staff)
- Sel'theus (Staff)
- Balamor (Pet, meaning like beastmaster pet or automaton)
- August (Pet)
- Rosulatia (Pet)
- Teodor (Pet)
- King of Hearts (Staff)
- Morimar (Pet)
- Darrcuiln (Pet)
- Iroha (Polearm)
- Iroha II (Polearm)
The JP wiki does its best but it doesn't source all of its claims with verified testing data. They say Balamor's auto-attacks, for example, are darkness damage, but doesn't list a source for that claim, and this Shantotto II business has me wanting logs at a minimum. ToastTheKnowing (talk) 16:13, August 31, 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if it will help shed light on anything or only muddle the information on this topic further, but a while back I recorded my findings on some specific Alter Ego auto-attacks' affecting Visitant Lights. In Shantotto II's case, her auto-attacks could bestow Amber light upon killing a target, which is normally caused by elemental weapon skills. It's probably unrelated or nothing important, but I thought I'd point it out anyway.
--Sir Duckyweather (talk) 20:58, August 31, 2018 (UTC)