Talk:Medals

Point of Interest

Myself and five friends have been running Slaughterhouse 1/2/3 and 2/3 each week. We only get allied notes for our own 7 Ops, but experience for all of them. This is enough to advance in medal all the way to the top with no other effort given. When only two of my friends are with me like this week, I am only able to retain my current medal (the highest at this moment) and not "advance" as it would try to do when I had done so with the full group. Hopefully this can help your numbers out a bit.

Definitely enough:

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07 Slaughterhouse I - 180 xp/limit 14 Slaughterhouse II - 271 xp/limit 14 Slaughterhouse III - 361 xp/limit and 994AN Total: 10,469xp 6958AN(My 7 Ops pre-teleport costs)

Enough to maintain:

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07 Slaughterhouse I - 180 xp/limit 07 Slaughterhouse II - 271 xp/limit 07 Slaughterhouse III - 361 xp/limit and 994AN Total: 5,684xp 6958AN(My 7 Ops pre-teleport costs)

--Storme 07:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Upgrading your medals

I've noticed that all the pages reguarding medal say that you have to gain experiance to upgrade to next medal. I rarely have time to do any battles so i mostly do streetsweeper II and III when i can (and have option to do so). It normally takes about the exact number of ops as the descriptions say for campaign evaluations. And about 2 campaign battles. I am only making about 3000 xp at most but probably around 9000 AN. Maybe we should change it to "experiance gain/Allied Notes obtained". Cause while the numbers are almost spot on. I don't agree with experiance being the main requirement to warrent it being the only part of the discription.--Azaron 08:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It has always been my impression that medal rank ups are based on Allied Notes and not exp gained. You can acquire exp but not allied notes by fighting beasts in the WoTG areas and not rank up. Campaign OPs grant more Allied Notes than exp and help to offset the ratio acquired from Campaign Battle, allowing you to rank up with more notes than exp acquired, particularly helpful when you're close to medal expiration time. Also, given the gross disproportion of exp gained for mages/magic casting damage in Campaign Battles compared to DD/melee-induced damage, requiring exp for medal rank up would be quite unfair to those that are non-DD jobs. Whereas anyone/any job can do a Campaign Ops for the same amount of Allied Notes (assuming job level allows for 100% reward). Denaunie 15:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

XP/Allied Notes per Rank

Just to verify what is said above, a friend of mine just received his Iron Emblem of Service, and he's been keeping track of XP gained (but not Allied Notes unfortunately). He has received 16,545 XP since last rank up. He was below 15k at last notice and did not have rank up. If it's based on XP, I'd say the Emblem level is 15k, as opposed to the current listed 25k. I'd like to hear from more people before changing it though. --aTTiLa t/ c 01:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I can't even begin to agree with the "Allied Notes = medal" theory. That's like saying Conquest points = Rank, imho. AN are the 'currency' earned within WoTG, just like IS for ToAU, or CP for Core/Zilart/CoP. That being said, it's definitely not a flat 25k/xp per medal either. I'm holding a HolyKnight Emblem right now, and have made over 40kxp in Campaign since attaining it, and am still to earn my Wings. Ashkente 14:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

As much as your above comment makes sense, I think we should all realize by now that SE has the capability to actually change stuff and come up with new ideas instead of sticking with the same'ol same'ol. And for your problem in ranking up have you tracked your AN also? Have you done any Ops? It's all about balance in Campaign. If you want to rank up fast then you have to do both campaign battles and campaign ops. Can't compare something new to something old, when the two have little in common. --Azaron 23:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal upgrades are determined by Allied Notes

On 2 occasions I have been close to my medal rank up and after finishing a Campaign Ops and receiving experience points (but before receiving the Allied notes) the Rank evaluator denied me the new medal, but after speaking to the campaign Ops NPC and recieving another 8-900 Allied Notes from them i returned to the evaluator who then gave me the new medal. The only variable that changed was my allied notes. Exp did not change.

From this i can positively confirm that Allied Notes were the factor in my rank up. I believe that people (understandably) believed that it was exp that determined rank up because generally you earn both exp and Allied Notes for the same activities. Someone should edit the information and remove the "requires x amount of experience points" line until we determine the exact amount of Allied Notes. It is probably roughly the amount of Allied notes that would be gained from obtaining the amount of exp from campaign battles listed as x for that particular medal. Saying that the exp earned was the reason for the rank up, however, is simply not accurate.

Suggestion to Track Possible EXP/AN for Rank Up

What could be done is to make a table for each rank, and put down what we got. Say, it took me 1534 xp and 1234 AN to rank up. But it only took someone else 1475 xp but 1300 an to rank up. Leave the AN number the same (1234 since it's lower) but change the XP (because 1475 is lower). Eventually, we'd get a pretty good table going. If someone could set that up, that'd be great. I'm currently the first Star, and I'm keeping track to the second one. I'll post my numbers. I'm going to add the table to show what it could look like. Stenir 15:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I like this idea alot. Seeing as i'm already cap'd for what is currently released, If i am able to rank up to star the day update comes out i'll keep track of what it takes to reach the next star. --Azaron 12:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the things I'm worried about is whether you need a certain amount from Quests and Battles. For example, at the time I'm writing this, I have 7720 xp and 4992 an since my last evaluation, but that's total. I have 7475 xp and 3832 an from Battles and 245 xp and 1160 an from quests (see my user page where I'm keeping track). It would make sense if you were required to do a certain amount for both, so we'll see. We'll know this is how it is if someone gets less xp and an from quests than someone else, but they have the same amount for battles. Or vice-versa. Something to think about. Stenir 14:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Allied Notes per Rank by Campaign Battles and Ops

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I have made a few tests with my character and my bf's, we did several Campaings and we were telling each other our EXP/AN(Allied Notes) rewards. The difference? I was doing Ops too while he wasnt. The results for us... Doing Ops didnt gave me any advantage, I had to keep doing the battles to gain those ANs, the ANs I gained in OPs were counted as extras or they just dont have that same "weight" as those ANs gained from battle. We desided to do campaign on 1 day (a day we could get an evaluation and we wrote down our actual ANs before starting, since this thing does decay over the time, we simply gain all the ANs we need to pass the Evaluation/get next decorative Medal and rest for 5 days). For each kind of medal there was an ammount of ANs that were needed to be gained in Campaign Battle to get the next decoration (at least this does work for us).

Ribon_Medal: 3,000 ANs

Star_Meals: 5,000 ANs

Emblem_Medal: 10,000ANs

Wings_Medal: 20,000ANs

-Edit: Confirmation: After 20k ANs gained in Campaign Battle my partner was able to claim his next Wings_Medal "Mythril Wings of Service ∮∮"; while I depleted all my 8 tags for Camp.Ops (all of them being Aegis_Scream_IV, each rewards around 1.1k ANs; a total reward of 8.8k ANs) and still I had to keep doing CampaignBattles until I made 18k ANs on it, in other words Evaluator only counted a 1/4(2k ANs) of my ANs gained in Ops.

My guess for the next type of Medals "Medal" is that they will have a cost worth of 40k ANs in Camp.Battle

Oh and about the experience gained that is related on what you do in battle. I suggest to visit the discussion about Campaign: Experience Point Calculation Guide It is the most near to explain why some people get more exp than ANs and so on. I believe if you exceeded the "Repetitions Cap" of each action you wont get any more ANs but you still will keep gaining Exp. I tested this with my BRD and playing more songs than the cap did gave me more exp but not more ANs, same with buffs etc. My Suggestion, just change tags after you believe you did the "Repetitions Cap" of your actions in battle. --Yuantis 08:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC).

This is the point where we all wait five days until we are able to do the next evaluation and start tracking from there. Does anybody have any idea what the decay rate is yet? Then again, that may be part of the entire equation. Stenir 20:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Would anybody mind verifying the numbers for the Steelknight? I have accumulated more than double the notes listed through campaigns, plus a couple thousand in Crystal Fist III ops, and still can't get a new medal. And that's by doing a couple campaigns and ops daily--Gorbyofodin 09:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Campaign Decay

Me and another guy in my LS haven't tracked our XP/AN as exact as others but what i did notice was that when i wasn't able to play for month it took me at least double the effort to rank up. Then recently we both noticed after we didn't battle or do any campaigning for a week that after the five days it took us both 6 campaign Ops, and 15+ 2k+ xp campaign battles before we could rank up. the fact i was 3 medals higher then him didn't play any role. We still both ranked up at the same time. We noticed this on several other occasions where if you did 40k XP and 20k AN during the first evaluation day and then just stopped doing campaign for the rest of the evaluation term, that we could not rank up. We each got the message saying that "While blah blah was pleased with blah blah , can't earn next rank blah blah." Only reason i know we got that much xp was because i was able to go from 7k to caping out my brd's xp and 1 merit in the hours we did the campaigns. The last medal i got was the wings $$$$ and i was able to get it right away with only getting around 15k XP and 12k AN. Again i used getting 1.5 merits and watching my AN progress. and this was just doing 1-2 campaign battles and ops a day for the first five days of the evaluation. --Azaron 23:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Updates

For right now, I noticed the values were all change dto reflect the 3k, 5k, 10k, 20k thought process. I'm not going to change them until I have hard proof that they are wrong. I'll be eligible to rank up tomorow evening, and at that time, I'll try some tests on the side. If at that time, things show differently, then I'll make my information known. Otherwise, I'll leave it at that. Stenir 00:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Max AN for Wings of Honor ∮∮∮∮

I can provide hard proof they're wrong. In fact, the last number is not even in the ballpark.

I've been tracking every Allied Note I've gained and spent since obtaining my Wings of Integrity ∮∮∮, and just obtained my Wings of Honor ∮∮∮∮. In the five days before I could get an evaluation, I spent 1,360 AN on teleports (none spent on anything else). I gained, in total, 10,228 AN (5904 from Campaign Ops, 4324 from Campaign battles).

I could not rank up when the option immediately became available, so I started doing Iron Anvil IV to see if I was at least in the ball park. After the first two attempts, for 1,185 AN each (bringing me to 12,598 AN gained total, 8,274 AN from Ops), I still could not rank up. A third Iron Anvil IV, for another 1,185 AN (bringing me to 13,783 AN gained total, 9,459 AN from Ops) enabled me to rank up to Wings of Honor ∮∮∮∮.

So as far as the current ranks go, if you attempt to rank up as soon as the option is available, the highest cost in Allied Notes needed to rank up is still under 14,000 AN. --Ibihni 23:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I can back up Ibihni. I was at the Mythril Wings of Service, and I tracked the AN I earned through battles and Ops. It only took 14046 AN to get the Wings of Integrity. I'm sure it would have been less if I didn't have to wait a day for my evaluation. I'm going to wait five days, then do the same thing to try to ascertain how much it would take to get the Wings of Honor. SpitbreakFTW 01:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

XP, AN for Achieving Wings of Integrity

I just updated the numbers for Wings of Integrity. I earned my Wings of Integrity (with the numbers shown) TEN DAYS after earning Wings of Service. So, keep in mind that my "earnings" were spread out for longer than the minimum 5 days. Had I done all that work in only 5 days, the requirement may well have been lower (due to the theory of "decay"). Fiorenzo 03:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

This is just a thought, but could AN from Ops be "worth" more than AN from Battles or vice versa? Drisque 14:04, 15 September 2008

XP, AN for Achieving Wings of Honor

I just edited the numbers for Wings of Honor. They are quite low! Approximately 6 days after reaching Wings of Integrity, I was able to achieve Wings of Honor with only (total) 9,846 XP and 6,610 AN. Fiorenzo 16:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Golden Star

7.3k AN earned in 4 hours (5.9k from Battle, 1.4k from ops) and no rank up so far. It has however been 25 days since I earned the Mythril Star (as I'd built up no AN to decay), so I wonder, rather than AN decaying over the month, could there be a base amount of AN needed, plus an amount of AN for every day since you last got a medal?

In the 25 previous days, I've done no campaign and have not requested an evaluation. TheMysteriousX 20:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Final amount was ~10k AN (1.8k from ops). That works really neatly with my theory above, at 5k + 200 AN for every day since last medal. Coincidence that it's such round numbers? TheMysteriousX 22:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Decay Factor theories

I have a suspicion that there is a high "what have you done for me LATELY?" factor in the evaluations. Judging by what people have written on the main page, I suspect that waiting 4 days, and then getting 10k exp on the 5th day, for evaluation, is more effective than getting 10k exp on the 1st day, then doing nothing until the 5th day hits. In other words, dont waste your time doing anything except maybe campaign ops, on the 1-3rd day since your last medal.

It would be interesting to know whether doing nothing for 1-19 days, then getting 10k on the 20th day and evaluating immediately, works as well as doing the same thing for 1-5 days.