Can anyone confirm how to obtain these or what drops them? --[[User: Angelous}}

Created page, because the item exists, it's in the DATs, and it's requested for by an NPC, maybe people will STOP changing the Expanding Horizons page when they have a new page to update. --Yekyaa 20:35, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

From what I've read in the forums it is confirmed they drop from level ~70+ mobs. It looks like if it is the improved version of Kindred's Seals.

Do you need Signet to get them to drop? lulz--Willoflame 00:07, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Drops during the day, as well as night. --iEscape 03:04, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

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Confirmed drop from Pachypodium in Abyssea - Tahrongi. Also Ruly Imp in Xarcabard (S).

Confirmed drop from Greater Colibri in Bhaflau Thickets. - Ffximalakii

Confirmed drop from Wivre in Grauberg (S) --Sgtsagara 21:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Darksteel Golem in Ro'Maeve. --(Passtschon of Ifrit) 17:22 8/8/2010

Confirmed drop from Grauberg Hippogryph in Grauberg (S) --MlrlOhki 15:32 MDT

Confirmed drop from Sand Cockatrice in Cape Teriggan. --Kyrie 21:43, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Steelshell in The Boyahda Tree. --Wglattli 21:45, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Defoliate Treant in Wajaom Woodlands. User:TinDragon (talk) 21:50, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Mountain Scolopendrid in an unknown zone. User:TinDragon (talk) 21:50, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Magmatic Eruca in Mount Zhayolm. --Hitokage 21:52, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Spongilla Fly in Caedarva Mire --Malkavius of Asura 22:00, September 8, 2010 (UTC

Confirmed drop from Crapaudy in Abyssea - La Theine --Dark494 22:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Air Elemental in Grauberg (S) --Gropitou 22:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC).

Confirmed drop from Mountain Clot in Mount Zhayolm --Darklink41 23:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed drop from Skimmer's in The Boyahda Tree.

Confirmed drop from Ashakku in Arrapago Reef --Jhubsch 01:49, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

5 Minute Rule

After doing some duo farming for crests, it appears that the crests follow the same rule as the seals: 1 will drop at least every 5 minutes. It also appears that, like the other seals, only 1 of the 3 seals will drop from any mob. To my knowledge, I and all my acquaintances have not witnessed a crest drop together with a seal, which is expected behavior of a these kinds of items. --Dark494 03:37, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Kindred's Seals/Beastmen Seals

Is there a way to confirm whether these take the place of seals or whether they drop independently? I would assume they drop instead of the seals, but you know what happens when you assume. User:TinDragon (talk) 23:57, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

It appears to be independent I just received a kindred's seal from the camels that drop the Crest.

I think he meant can they both drop at the same time from the same mob, or if it's one or the other (or neither) only. Chernabog 00:33, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Pet mobs have low drop rate?

Small sample size, I know. I just went 0/50 on Gigas's Tiger (Lv.73-75) In Vunkerl Inlet. I got 4 beastmen seals and 4 kindred seals in that time. I did have Sanction on, in a WotG area. Not sure if I have REALLY bad luck, or one of those factors contributed. If anyone gets a crest to drop from a pet mob, please speak up! --Jamiesan 01:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I got 1 in the first couple pets I killed, then nothing for over an hour, jumped zones and got 1 on the first kill, then nothing for another hour. I know some other people in parties also are going 0/50 on nonpets, so I think it's just a feature of this particular drop :P --Vulturelainen 02:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC) Update: 5/5, got last 3 in like 10 minutes after 3 hours of zero, nice luck =/ --Vulturelainen 03:34, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

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