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I believe this was once soloed by a blm on Stage6. Does anyone have the video? --Blaubont 02:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I tried to bring some form of order to the drop tables. Done this KSNM quite a bit and usually it drops 5 or 6 items. There are at least 3 more drop tables that drop one all the time. Only one that doesn't always drop is the earring. If ive made some mistake or put an item in the wrong chart please fix and update. I believe the 3 drop tables are smithing (ores/ingots) and the philosper/phoesnix feather, clothcraft item, and third table being woodworking/alchemy item. Will try to keep track when i do this moreJado818 22:46, April 15, 2010 (UTC)


Groupings/Drops

(the <Empty> entries are my own notes of where I believe the zero to one of grouping is. These are more or less shots in the dark at this point to try and make the groupings make sense) Here are the drops from Jado's run, in the order they appeared in the pool:

Run 1: Drake Earring, Ocean Sash, Ebony Log, Rainbow Cloth, Pole Grip, Philosophers stone

Run 2: Philosopher's stone, Gold Thread, Pole Grip, Ocean Sash, Petrified Log, Philosophers stone

Run 3: Guardian Earring, Ocean Sash, Mythril Ore, Platinum Ore, Phoenix Feather

Run 4: Sorcerer's Earring, Steppe Sash, Ram Horn, Phoenix Feather, Phoenix Feather


Here are the drops someone else sent me long ago (Pics in french, items translated in the order they appear)

[1] Ebony Log, Phoenix Feather, Raxa, Forest Sash, Ram Horn

[2] Phoenix Feather, Phoenix Feather, Rogue's Earring, Steppe Sash, Fencer's Earring, Claymore Grip

[3] Drake Earring, Light Spirit Pact, Hi-reraiser, Ebony Log, Spear Strap, Phoenix Feather

[4] Forest Sash, Sorcerer's Earring, Darksteel Ore, Mahogany Log, Pole Grip, Philosopher's Stone

I will go over this after the event I'm currently doing and fix up the groupings more, if someone else doesnt get to them first

--Jawat 00:30, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

These groupings are gonna be a bit tricky to figure out. I find it highly unlikely (although it is possible) the SAME sash/earring can drop in a single run. HOWEVER, multiple DIFFERENT earrings can DEFINITELY drop (Come into my parlor follows this pattern too), and it may be possible multiple sashes can drop too. Unfortunately, using the current data listed, this would require an additional 2-3 groupings that are "zero to one" of (assuming the orderings listed above are all correct). OTOH, out of 8 runs, the maximum number items shown to drop is 6, with a minimum of 5, so it seems like there is only one "zero to one of" grouping. I'll continue to play with the groupings some more, but it looks like we're going to need a LOT more drop data to get this figured out. Fortunately, once we do, all the other Chamber of Oracles and Qu'Bai Area KSNMs probably follow the same pattern as this KSNM fairly closely, and will make it easier to figure them out. --Jawat 03:08, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
Looking at it again, we have one instance of a Ocean Sash that drops BEFORE a Pole grip, and another instance where we have a Ocean Sash that drops AFTER a pole grip. This can only be possible if a) The ordering got screwed up somehow, or b) The same sash/grip CAN drop more than once. Again, we're gonna need a lot more drop data to figure this out. --Jawat 03:24, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Guessed groupings based on these drops

#1 <Empty>,          <Empty>,           Drake Earring,        Ocean Sash,           Ebony Log*,          Rainbow Cloth*,   <Empty>,             Pole Grip,       Philosophers stone

#2 <Empty>,          <Empty>,           Guardian Earring,     Ocean Sash,           Mythril Ore*,        Platinum Ore*,    <Empty>,             <Empty>,         Phoenix Feather

#3 <Empty>,          <Empty>,           Sorcerer's Earring,   Steppe Sash,          Ram Horn*,           Phoenix Feather*, Phoenix Feather*,    <Empty>,         <Empty>
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#4 Ebony Log,        Phoenix Feather,   Raxa,                 Forest Sash,          Ram Horn*,           <Empty>,          <Empty>,             <Empty>,         <Empty>

#5 Phoenix Feather,  Phoenix Feather,   Rogue's Earring,      Steppe Sash,          Fencer's Earring,    <Empty>,          <Empty>,             Claymore Grip,   <Empty>

#6 <Empty>,          <Empty>,           Drake Earring,        Light Spirit Pact*,   Hi-reraiser*,        Ebony Log*,       <Empty>,             Spear Strap,     Phoenix Feather

#7 <Empty>,          <Empty>,           <Empty>               Forest Sash,          Sorcerer's Earring,  Darksteel Ore,    Mahogany Log,        Pole Grip,       Philosopher's Stone

*Could occupy any of the <Empty> slots proceeding it, or any slot proceeding it with an item with a "*". However, the order of the items must be maintained.

What we can determine from the drops so far

  • Run2 from Jado's drops must be some sort of error, either caused by lag changing the order of the drops, or by writing down the wrong order
  • There is 1 "Zero to one of" grouping after the strap grouping (seems to only be a phoenix feather or P. Stone; see #1, #5, #6, #7)
  • There are 2 "Zero to one of" groupings that before the first earring grouping(see #5 for absolute example)
  • After these two groupings, the next 3 groupings are earring, sash, earring(see #5 for absolute example; #1, #2, #3, #7 for partial examples)
  • The same earrings are in both groupings(see #3 and #7 for partial example)
  • Synth items are also mixed in with at least the first earring grouping(see #4)
  • The first earring grouping is "Zero to one of" (see #7 for absolute example)

Things that are unclear

  • The sash grouping is either a "zero to one of" grouping, or a "One of" grouping that can also drop synth items (see #6)
  • The second earring grouping is either a "zero to one of" grouping, or a "One of" grouping that can also drop synth items (see #1, #2, #3, #4, #6)
  • If both the sash and second earring groupings are both "one of" groupings, then they must have synth items in the grouping, and there are only 9 possible groupings, otherwise there are 10 groupings (see #6, #7)
  • If the second earring grouping is a "One of" grouping, then the sash grouping MUST be a "One of" grouping (see #6)
  • After looking at the chart again, it may also be possible that the column of all <empty>'s could possibly belong before the first earring grouping instead, explaining the raxa drop in the earring grouping from #4.
  • However, if this is true, then #6 shows that the light spirit pact MUST belong in either the sash grouping or the second earring grouping

--Jawat 23:18, April 22, 2010 (UTC).

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