Talk:Helix

Confirmed, erase removed helix effect. Tested by casting on a colibri. Coice 02:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Helix Possibilities

This is gonna be long, but... I wasn't sure where this would be appropriate to put, whether to put it here or in Modus Veritas.. but given either way, it pertains to Helices regardless..

Modus Veritas

• +100% Damage per tick
• Remaining time x0.5
• Merits decrease duration penalty by x0.05 per merit point
• Full merits = Remaining time x0.75

Helixes

• Initial damage = Damage per tick
• One tick = 10 seconds = 6 ticks per minute
• Taken from: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:Geohelix

Let dINT = Caster's INT - Target's INT

If dINT is less than 80, then D = dINT+24

If dINT is equal to or more than 80, then D = floor((dINT-79)/2+103)

Floor each of the following:

D*resist*Staff Bonus*Day|Weather Bonus*(MAB/MDB)*Magic Damage Adjustment

Note1: Day|Weather Bonus has a 100% proc. rate.

Note2: I can't be sure, but I assume Ebullience's *1.2 comes at the end.

• Merits increase M.Acc by +3 and M.Atk by +2, for maximum of +15 and +10 respectively
• Casting when using the appropriate staff boosts the damage and M.Acc further
• Casting appropriate Storm spell and Klimaform will increase M.Acc by a significant amount
• Casting on appropriate day boosts the effect further
  • Picking on enemies that are particularly weak VS things on certain days is even more potent

Possible overall damage bonuses:

• +10% day
• +10% single weather / +25% double weather
• +10% Helix merits
• +10% NQ staff / +15% HQ staff
• +20% Ebullience

Most probable bonuses:

• +10% weather
• +10% merits
• +10% NQ staff
• +20% Ebullience

Now then.. on to the math!

Let's say you are a Hume SCH75/RDM37. Speculation on that your INT is 68, with equipment bonuses tallying to +49, giving a total of 117. The enemy's INT is 80.

117 - 80 = 37

Because 37 is less than 80.. 37 + 24 = 61

61 * 1.00 * 1.10 * 1.10 * 1.30 * 1.00 * 1.20 = 117.0312.. and dropping the decimals, to 117 on the initial whack.

Taking this into consideration, if you then use Modus Veritas that is fully merited.. the per-tick damage would boost to 234 per tick.

With this information in hand, let's say we do more math..

• Duration 45 sec... 234 * 4 = 936

Taking this into consideration.. I wonder what would happen if we put TWO fully merited Modus Veritas into the mix!

• Duration 33.75 sec... 468 * 3 = 1404

Let's continue this route, until we obtain the minimum possible tick duration for the x0.75.. which would be SIX Scholars using Modus Veritas...

• Duration 10.67~ sec... 7488 * 1 = 7488

Keeping in mind, however, that these numbers are all based on speculation and general estimates. Actual experiences may vary from person to person, but this should at least give a rough idea of what meriting Modus Veritas and the Helix M.Acc/M.Atk can be capable of - showing exactly that a SCH truly can shine as a DoT job. P.S.: Apologies for the horrid look of this, due to it all running together and the like - not very used to the wiki formatting for things. ^^;

Now, let's say you use the fact that Modus Veritas decreases the remaining time left on the helix. Given this, and that Helix ticks are every 10 seconds, let's say you wait 9 seconds before having everyone use Modus Veritas.. how many Scholar's can you get to use the ability so that at least one tick will go off, yet will still deal a rather large amount of damage? Considering that recent studies have shown that Modus Veritas, fully merited, would decrease the penalty to a mere 25% reduction instead of 50%...

• 51 seconds * (0.75 ^ 13) = ~1.21162046492099761962890625, or when truncated, 1 second.

Let's use the same formula and base damage as the previous experiment.. so...

• 117 damage * (2 ^ 13) = 958,464 damage on that one single tick

I believe that this should give quite a nice show of what is possible with SCH. ^-^ --- Elixer_Of_Quetz 00:54, 02 Nov 2008 (CST) ~Last edit: 15:25, 23 Nov 2008 (CST)

A problem may arise if SE's calculations round off to the nearest second when determining remaining duration. Sure, the concept still works, and the damage will still be far more than any mob in the game can take, but significantly less SCHs will be usable. Redler 16:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Just curious why would you have to wait until 9 seconds? Modus doesn't lessen the damage done, it halves the time between "ticks" and does double the damage (without merits), so it wouldn't matter when however many Scholar's used Modus, because it'll just do more damage quicker?

• No Modus = xdmg every 10 seconds
• 1 Modus = 2xdmg every 5 seconds
• 2 Modus = 2^2xdmg every 2.5 seconds
• 3 Modus = 2^3xdmg every 1.25 seconds
• 4 Modus = 2^4xdmg every 0.625 seconds
• 5 Modus = 2^5xdmg every 0.3125 seconds
• 6 Modus = 2^6xdmg every 0.15625 seconds

If other Sch's in the ally can use it too

• 18 Modus - 2^18xdmg every 0.00003814697265625 seconds

I don't know if I'm reading the description wrong or not --Bikpik 16:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Definitely read the description wrong. Modus Veritas doubles the damage done by each tick of a helix spell while reducing the total number of ticks remaining by half. Without merits, it basically will do the same damage in half the time, while with merits it gets... quite a bit more complicated. Simply put, it'll be like this (just copying your chart, Bikpik):

• No Modus = xdmg every 10 seconds, 6 ticks for an average duration helix (1 minute)
• 1 Modus = 2xdmg every 10 seconds, 3 ticks
• 2 Modus = 2^2xdmg every 10 seconds, 1.5 ticks
• 3 Modus = 2^3xdmg every 10 seconds, .75 ticks
• 4 Modus = 2^4xdmg every 10 seconds, .375 ticks
• 5 Modus = 2^5xdmg every 10 seconds. .1875 ticks
• 6 Modus = 2^6xdmg every 10 seconds, .09375 ticks

That's without merits, so it'll be more beneficial to add in merits, as it reduces the duration penalty without reducing the damage/tick bonus. Either way, it'll still beat out most other forms of damage available, especially for the short time that this all happens in. Dunno how to link to stuff outside of the wiki, but here's a great example of this working to it's potential. [1] Yondaime86 18:03, September 29, 2009 (UTC)