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===Shortest===
 
===Shortest===
 
[[File:Hakuryu388lm.jpg]]
 
[[File:Hakuryu388lm.jpg]]
===Longest and Heaviest===
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===Longest===
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[[File:Hakuryu4116pz.jpg]]
 
===Lightest===
 
===Lightest===
 
[[File:Hakuryu1893pz.jpg]]
 
[[File:Hakuryu1893pz.jpg]]
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===Heaviest===
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[[File:Hakuryu4116pz.jpg]]
   
 
=Discussion=
 
=Discussion=
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I'm not sure if the Notes in the article are appropriate:
 
I'm not sure if the Notes in the article are appropriate:
   
# Unlike other normal fish/items in this zone, the time you have to reel in the Hakuryu is 40 seconds, that's 10 seconds longer than the standard 30 seconds given to reel in your catch.
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"# Unlike other normal fish/items in this zone, the time you have to reel in the Hakuryu is 40 seconds, that's 10 seconds longer than the standard 30 seconds given to reel in your catch.
 
# It is highly recommended to fish Hakuryu with the new Noddy Ring and Puffin Ring together.
 
# It is highly recommended to fish Hakuryu with the new Noddy Ring and Puffin Ring together.
# The reason Sinking Minnows's break rate is so much higher is because on average larger/heavier fish bite it compared to a Minnow. So the extra weight contributes to the higher snap rate.
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# The reason Sinking Minnows's break rate is so much higher is because on average larger/heavier fish bite it compared to a Minnow. So the extra weight contributes to the higher snap rate."
   
I was skeptical of the 40 second note, but my own testing does seem to be consistent with the note. I didn't lose the catch until 39 seconds. I tested on a monster as well, which was released at 32 seconds. Further testing would need to be done to see whether it's related to a random interval between 30 and 40 seconds or if it's related to the Ebisu rod. I lost a number of catches testing Hakuryu with a Lu Shang's and I remember the "You don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line..." message popping up at around 25 seconds, but I wasn't testing the time on the line so that could be inaccurate.
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I was skeptical of the 40 second note, but my own testing does seem to be consistent with the note. I didn't lose the catch until 39 seconds. I tested on a monster as well, which was released at 32 seconds. Further testing would need to be done to see whether it's related to a random interval between 30 and 40 seconds or if it's related to the Ebisu rod. I lost a number of catches testing Hakuryu with a Lu Shang's and I remember the "You're don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line..." message popping up at around 25 seconds, but I wasn't testing the time on the line so that could be inaccurate.
   
 
The second note is a given for any large fish. Noddy ring is ideal everywhere, and Puffin ring makes sense for any large fish. I'm leaving it simply because knowledge of the rings isn't yet widespread.
 
The second note is a given for any large fish. Noddy ring is ideal everywhere, and Puffin ring makes sense for any large fish. I'm leaving it simply because knowledge of the rings isn't yet widespread.
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The third note I can't even make sense of. Is it claiming that Sinking Minnow's pull in larger Hakuryu, or that Black Sole biting on the lure somehow contribute to more breaks? Given that there's a extremely small sample pool to extrapolate data from, I'm removing that note until someone can verify that with a statistically significant data pool for both lures. I also sincerely doubt that anyone has verified that one lure pulls in heavier fish than the other; The line snap data should be enough in and of itself. --[[User:Finbar|Finbar]] 20:52, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
The third note I can't even make sense of. Is it claiming that Sinking Minnow's pull in larger Hakuryu, or that Black Sole biting on the lure somehow contribute to more breaks? Given that there's a extremely small sample pool to extrapolate data from, I'm removing that note until someone can verify that with a statistically significant data pool for both lures. I also sincerely doubt that anyone has verified that one lure pulls in heavier fish than the other; The line snap data should be enough in and of itself. --[[User:Finbar|Finbar]] 20:52, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
   
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I forgot to mention another theory I've heard and wonder about that I'd like to make mention of. It was noted on BG that a few users couldn't get Hakuryu wouldn't bite on their Lu Shang's, however it did bite on my own several times until I was able to confirm a rod break (total of three catches, six line breaks, two lack of skills, and one rod break). The only difference was that I had the Serpent Rumor key item, whereas the other didn't. Can anyone confirm pulling in this fish without Serpent Rumors (with a Lu Shang's, of course)? Hakuryu is a legendary serpent, as its description attests to, so it's not an outlandish theory. If anyone could test it, it would be appreciated. It would be a long, long while before I could get a mule to a high enough skill to pull them in. --[[User:Finbar|Finbar]] 03:40, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
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[[Black Sole]] cant snap a [[Sinking Minnow]] with a [[Lu Shang's Fishing Rod]] or an [[Ebisu Fishing Rod]]. There is no wearing down of lures in this game either, so saying that Black Sole contributes to more breaks makes no sense. I've even gone as far as reeling in 9 Hakuryu's before my Sinking Minnow line snapped, and everyone who goes out and tries this will experience line snaps back to back. This can mean only two things: Luck/random variable or that heavy fish contribute to snapping lines which is a fact.
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The time interval was 39 seconds and I'll be making the correction on the front page. It is always 39 seconds with an Ebisu, and I'll make note that was with an Ebisu not a Lu Shang as I don't own one anymore to test with. And FYI: "You don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line..." when you see this message you have exactly 5 seconds left before it gets away.
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About your confusion on the difference between a [[Minnow]] and [[Sinking Minnow]]. The Minnow lure floats closer to the top of the surface while the Sinking Minnow, obviously, sinks down and goes deeper. There is meaning for this and Hakuryu proves it after enough time comparing the two like I have. I'm not saying my testing is complete, it is far from being anywhere close to being called reliable data. I'm only one fisher and it will take some time not to mention that this isn't a user-friendly format for others to post their data along with mine.
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But about the two lures. The Minnow lure always reels in on average lighter and smaller fish. While the Sinking Minnow on average reels in the heavier and longer fish. Proof of this is simple, The record smallest and lightest fish belongs to the Minnow lure and the heaviest and largest fish belongs to the Sinking Minnow. This might not mean much to someone just looking at the data but experience using the lures as much as I have has shown me it to be true.
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I believe the note should be made on the front page except it will only be one sentence and I'll be providing a link for discussion. You cant delete a note unless proven wrong and that requires more testing, and documenting of data than what I have provided myself proving my statement is wrong which none exists that I know of since this kind of documentation of a fish isn't normally done.
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And about the pictures in the discussion keep the categories separated please because the largest fish wont always be the heaviest as well. Thanks! [[User:Kalila|Kalila]] 21:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
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Revision as of 21:37, 12 January 2011

Fish Size Keeping

Shortest

File:Hakuryu388lm.jpg

Longest

File:Hakuryu4116pz.jpg

Lightest

File:Hakuryu1893pz.jpg

Heaviest

File:Hakuryu4116pz.jpg

Discussion

I'm not sure if the Notes in the article are appropriate:

"# Unlike other normal fish/items in this zone, the time you have to reel in the Hakuryu is 40 seconds, that's 10 seconds longer than the standard 30 seconds given to reel in your catch.

  1. It is highly recommended to fish Hakuryu with the new Noddy Ring and Puffin Ring together.
  2. The reason Sinking Minnows's break rate is so much higher is because on average larger/heavier fish bite it compared to a Minnow. So the extra weight contributes to the higher snap rate."

I was skeptical of the 40 second note, but my own testing does seem to be consistent with the note. I didn't lose the catch until 39 seconds. I tested on a monster as well, which was released at 32 seconds. Further testing would need to be done to see whether it's related to a random interval between 30 and 40 seconds or if it's related to the Ebisu rod. I lost a number of catches testing Hakuryu with a Lu Shang's and I remember the "You're don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line..." message popping up at around 25 seconds, but I wasn't testing the time on the line so that could be inaccurate.

The second note is a given for any large fish. Noddy ring is ideal everywhere, and Puffin ring makes sense for any large fish. I'm leaving it simply because knowledge of the rings isn't yet widespread.

The third note I can't even make sense of. Is it claiming that Sinking Minnow's pull in larger Hakuryu, or that Black Sole biting on the lure somehow contribute to more breaks? Given that there's a extremely small sample pool to extrapolate data from, I'm removing that note until someone can verify that with a statistically significant data pool for both lures. I also sincerely doubt that anyone has verified that one lure pulls in heavier fish than the other; The line snap data should be enough in and of itself. --Finbar 20:52, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

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Black Sole cant snap a Sinking Minnow with a Lu Shang's Fishing Rod or an Ebisu Fishing Rod. There is no wearing down of lures in this game either, so saying that Black Sole contributes to more breaks makes no sense. I've even gone as far as reeling in 9 Hakuryu's before my Sinking Minnow line snapped, and everyone who goes out and tries this will experience line snaps back to back. This can mean only two things: Luck/random variable or that heavy fish contribute to snapping lines which is a fact.

The time interval was 39 seconds and I'll be making the correction on the front page. It is always 39 seconds with an Ebisu, and I'll make note that was with an Ebisu not a Lu Shang as I don't own one anymore to test with. And FYI: "You don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line..." when you see this message you have exactly 5 seconds left before it gets away.

About your confusion on the difference between a Minnow and Sinking Minnow. The Minnow lure floats closer to the top of the surface while the Sinking Minnow, obviously, sinks down and goes deeper. There is meaning for this and Hakuryu proves it after enough time comparing the two like I have. I'm not saying my testing is complete, it is far from being anywhere close to being called reliable data. I'm only one fisher and it will take some time not to mention that this isn't a user-friendly format for others to post their data along with mine.

But about the two lures. The Minnow lure always reels in on average lighter and smaller fish. While the Sinking Minnow on average reels in the heavier and longer fish. Proof of this is simple, The record smallest and lightest fish belongs to the Minnow lure and the heaviest and largest fish belongs to the Sinking Minnow. This might not mean much to someone just looking at the data but experience using the lures as much as I have has shown me it to be true.

I believe the note should be made on the front page except it will only be one sentence and I'll be providing a link for discussion. You cant delete a note unless proven wrong and that requires more testing, and documenting of data than what I have provided myself proving my statement is wrong which none exists that I know of since this kind of documentation of a fish isn't normally done.

And about the pictures in the discussion keep the categories separated please because the largest fish wont always be the heaviest as well. Thanks! Kalila 21:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

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