Effect amounts found here.
why were the trait values removed? --Kerah 07:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Fast Cast and Gear Swapping
Just completed testing on the combination and effects of gear swapping Fast Cast and haste gear. Testing can be found at the following link:
TLDNR Recast is first reduced by fast cast gear, then reduced by haste gear. The two values are not added together.
No recast bonus is recieved if the fast cast gear is removed mid cast
Updated above spreadsheet showing that the recast portion of fast cast caps @ 25% (50% Fast Cast) please see tests 19+20 of the reraise tab. --Vanar 09:34, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
-x% Casting Time Cap
The below values are of -x% Casting Time:
- Fast Cast I Lv15: 10%
- Fast Cast II Lv35: 5%
- Fast Cast III Lv55: 5%
- Warlock's Chapeau Lv60: 10%
- Duelist's Tabard Lv74: 10%
- Dark Arts/Light Arts /SCH: 10% (Dark/Light Arts from /SCH DO stack with Fast Cast)
This would mean that it would be fairly easy for any 75 RDM to get exactly -50% Casting Time (-20% recast time). I have searched all over the web trying to find if anyone has done testing on a -% Casting Time cap. I have not found any testing anywhere. There are plenty of forums and posts about tests of different items and what percentage of Fast Cast they give, but nothing on the cap. I'd say it IS safe to assume that there is a cap for -% Casting Time just as there is a cap for haste. Also, to be very clear: The reason that SCH gets "-10% Casting Time", but it is not "Fast Cast", is because "Fast Cast" means that it ALSO reduces the recast timer by half the amount of the casting time, which Light/Dark Arts does not.
This means that a 75RDM/37SCH with Artifact Head and Relic Body should have a cast time of exactly 7.5 seconds for Raise (going off the figures above). I would test this myself but am still working on getting the Relic Body. Please if you meet the description above can you test cast time on raise to see if they match?
This would be VERY useful information. For example: If there doesn't seem to be a cap or at least not at 50%, I (and I'm sure other RDM's) would get the Loquacious Earring, however say after performing the test you find that the casting time on Raise was 8.25 sec, that would mean that -% Casting Time is capped @ 45%, as the cast time is 15sec, and 8.25sec is a 45% reduction (Don't forget to use Light Arts before casting)
Notice I made no mention of Haste. Haste (spell or gear) only affects Recast time, Haste does not affect Casting Time at all. I would primarily like to test/examine % Casting Time at the moment, because we already know that the cap on Recast Time is 50%. Lets all work together on this and share TESTED actual values (rather than guesses/opinions) so the Wiki can be updated for everyone. Knowledge is Power! :P
--Calypso 16:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I did a little testing on my Sch trying to see if I could hit some sort of Casting Time cap. As a SCH85/RDM42, I had 15% Fast Cast from sub RDM, 2% from Loq. Earring and 2% from Incantor Stone for a total of 19%. I also had 10% from Arts, 5% from Scholar's Loafers and 5% from Argute Mortarboard. Grand total: 39%. Casting reduction from Fast Cast and Grimoire effects seem to stack, and I can safely say 39% is not the cap. I borrowed a COR friend and had him use Caster's Roll and tested again after he rolled an 11. That's another 20% Fast Cast. I tested using Reraise at first, but the results were unreliable. If the cap was, say, 50%, I only had a difference of 9%, which isn't even a second's worth of casting time. After switching to Stone V (base casting time of 10 seconds), my results seemed to indicate that 50% was not the cap, as I was clocking my Stone V's around 4.3~4.6 seconds each.
I think it would be easier to find a cap on RDM with a COR helping out. With Duelist Tabard and Warlock's Chapeau a level 85 RDM would have 45% Fast Cast. Add 20% from Caster's Roll for 65%. There has to be a max cap somewhere, as I've found enough Casting Time related equipment, Atmas and other buffs to make a 100%+ Fast Cast build, and that would just be broken.
-Zatana 18:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
RE: -x% Casting Time Cap
If it's any help - BRD has access to more -Casting Time gear than RDM or SCH does with -Song Spellcasting Time gear and abilites. From the tests I have personally done with Marduk Set, Minstrel Ring and Nightingale - there does not appear to be a Casting Time Cap. This is of course, provided that SST, FC and abilities influence Casting Time equally.--Asmoranomar 18:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
campaign fast cast
Oohhhh yeah baby, RDM + Relic Body + AF hat + Campaign pants (when active) + Loc. Earring = Fast cast god !! FTW, try it wirh /NIN is awesome. Avan de Jinuar III
Using RDM AF hat, relic body, and malagigi's trousers in campaign, raise goes off at about 33% on the casting bar. outside of campaign it goes off at 43%. When I get around to leveling SCH sub, I'll test it out with light arts.. --Vyrha 18:38, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
@Vyrha: that sounds a little off since you get the fast cast enhancement from trousers when you have your campaign tags active, I'll check myself since I mostly seem an awesome fast cast effect on utsusemi's --Avan de Jinuar III 21:43, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
Casting Time Calculation
Keep in mind that Cast Time used here means the amount of time for the spell progress bar to reach 75%. Since the calculation is a multiplication, for someone with Fast Cast 1 the spell goes off at 75% * (1 - 0.1) = 67.5%. -- How accurate is this statement? Myself and others have done testing previously on casting times and the cast bar has always been inaccurate in terms of the time required to cast a spell. There's some other issues I have with this statement, but ultimately it boils down to every test I know of being done in terms of casting time (not progress/cast bar) BECAUSE it is inaccurate. I'd like to have this cleared up or explained before discussing the other concerns. I won't remove it, but I'd like to see the information verified please.--Asmoranomar 23:52, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Gear with '"Fast Cast"+x' affects only Cast Time. -- Unless gear augmented with fast cast behaves differently, this is false. Tested with Reprisal. A base test with 11% haste gear and no fast cast gear resulted in a 2:40 recast time, down from 3 minutes. Adding a Nuevo Coselete augmented with Fast Cast +5 resulted in a recast of 2:37. Adding a verification tag. Jarius86 02:20, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
Fast Cast: Casting time cap
Tested today, and I can verify RDM does get Fast Cast V trait, but now my RDM is lv90 already so I'm unable to determine which level between 86-90.
As RDM90 casting Reraise (60 second recast), my recast is 51 seconds (-15%).
As RDM90 my spells resolve at around ~52% on the casting bar.
As also mentioned on the main page, spells go off at 75%, and "Fast Cast" acts on this 75% of the casting bar, so each 1% of Fast Cast = spells go off -0.75% earlier on the casting bar.
Fast Cast V (-30% casting time) is: 30 x -0.75 = -22.5%... so 75% minus 22.5 means spells should go off at 52.5% on the casting bar.
The easiest way to test casting time is to cast a really slow spell and immediately step away from where you're standing and just wait to see what % the bar reaches before the bar disapears. Due to network latency between you and the server, you can move before this % with the spell still going off, but this is the actual % spells cast at.
On RDM90 (-30%) equiped with RDM AF1 head (-10%) and RDM AF2 body (-10%), you reach -50% casting time, so spells go off half-way to 75% at ~37.5%.
I also equipped Loquacious earring (-2%) and the new lv90 RDM AF3 earring (-2%) but spells still go off at ~37.5% like they did with -50% fast cast, even though I should have -54% now.
So it seems casting time cap is -50%, the same as it is with recast time.
I also found that recast time reduction given by Fast Cast caps at -25% too, as with 54% Fast Cast I should have -27% recast times, but I'm only getting -25%.
Tested again with Malagigi's Trousers (-10%), giving me Fast Cast of -64%, but spells still resolve at ~37.5%.
Also, although I should have -32% recast time reduction now, I'm still only getting -25% off my recasts. --Mougurijin 15:01, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
Blue mage Fast Cast:
Blue mages Set trait for Fast cast is not -10%/-5% tested by using mrike body with +5 fastcast on it and Not setting the trait and casting spells with the body seting the trait and casting without the body.
Blue mage fast cast was 10%/5% up until this last update. Suspicion is SE messed something up, not that "RDM doesn't get fastcast1 and starts with fastcast2". I see no reason for the main page to be edited so prematurely. Isador seems have been dropped to 5%/2.5% as well with the same update. Also, sign your comments.--Quedari 03:25, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
RDM does NOT get Fast Cast II at level 15. There is no such thing as a Fast Cast I trait that provides only 5% Fast Cast. There never has in the past, the BLU Fast Cast bug is a recent development from the May 2011 version update. Both the Isador AND the trait were reduced from 10 to 5%, however weapons such as the Hochomasamune remain at 10%. This suggests that it is a BLU issue, and I have submitted all of the necessary information to the Dev team for review. --Prothescar 04:10, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Lol, it looked funny while it lasted but I'm glad it's been changed back. :D
So BLU job trait definitely gave cast-10% recast-5% before that update then? --Mougurijin 04:34, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, the trait and sword both gave 10%/5% previously. --Prothescar 05:14, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Edited because As of right now That is FACT and until changed in the games mechanics it will stay as truth. i would also like to know how you can assure me that a fast cast trait is not in the games coding dictating that it goes by 5% intervals.JarNoBaka
Because the game has operated this way for years. If you've played BLU for more than 3 months you'd know that the fast cast bonus we've been capable of setting has always been 10%. Isador and the trait were both 10% previous to the May version update. --Prothescar 17:23, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
Please read what a wrote. Fact > making you feel good about a page. JarNoBaka