See also: Category_Talk:Abyssea, which is a discussion regarding the contents of the main Abyssea page, as of Monday, January 10th 2011.

Splitting Abyssea Article

Clearly this article is massive; it practically covers all of three mini-expansions in a single page. There should be a logical way to break this down into several, clearer, easier-to-maintain articles.

Any suggestions on how to break it up? --Andurus 22:46, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm quite happy with it as is. Sure it's large, but when someone new to abyssea in my shell wants to know about it, I just send them here. ~ Esdain of Kujata/Valefor
  • Ya I don't see any reason to split it up all the info on this page is generic for the most part. The only thing that is redundant is the NM tables. Maybe just get rid off or move all non-generic info to the correct pages and leave every else. - Simplemalk
  • I agree with Andurus that this article is far too large. The quality and utility of the content is not in question; it's excellent information. However, it makes plenty of sense to break this article down into a few logical, smaller articles. Elanabelle.Bismarck 05:45, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • I like the banners with the links to the separate zones at the top, but other than that it needs a reshuffle. The information is all valid, but there is just too much to take in.--Branwenbahamut 12:32, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Agreed. It should be split up, mostly into its primary section headings. --SimuAndy 15:31, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Disagree. One stop shopping for any and all things. Make sub pages for the sections with more extensive information but keep this as the quick reference area. I use it extensively myself and it is far easier than hunting from page to page. Old Sarge 19:48, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Disagree. I agree with Esdain, Simplemalk, Sarge - keep it all on one page. The only reason it looks so horribad now is because the wiki decided to cut the size of the information page down to be significantly smaller horizontally. If they expanded the page again - many of these things would not look so massive. When you go to Abyssea - you want to read ALL the abyssea info in one place - NOT have to figure out where the heck to go. So keep all on this page please or you are just making it more and more difficult to use the Wiki and we might as well start going somewhere else for information which is what you seemingly want us to do for a while now with your changes. --Birgitte t/ c 23:48, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Disagree. Wiki is already too much page jumping, I like being able to goto 1 page and not go thru 8-10 others just for 2-3 bits of info. Yes it may be large but it doesn't take any longer to load than any other page. Along what Birgitte said, maybe move ALL the banners to the bottom of the page and widen the text area. --Asthesis 01:28, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm not suggesting that you should just draw a line in the middle of the page and split it into two. There should be one logical starting point to find out everything about Abyssea, and maybe this page is it (though might be more appropriate). As it stands, this page is not an easy reference piece, because the content is very mixed. I would expect to find a page on each major topic in Abyssea. The "Weakness Targetting" and "Armour Seals" sections in particular feels like they should be an articles/categories their own right, each with its own specific discussion and research. Right now this page reads more like a messy GameFAQs article than something I'd expect to see on FFXIclopeida.
  • Agree. For starters !!! Proc'ing and EAF seals should have their own pages. I would put NM progression under their respective zones. But, I also agree, to split this page too much leads to constantly clicking to gather the information you need.--Randwolf 13:01, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • To those who want 1-stop shopping, what if there were summaries of the split-out articles left behind on the page, with a link to show the remaining information? This is a typical way that the problem is addressed. (For example, the NM Progression is mentioned at a higher level, but then for further information the reader visits the detail page.) --SimuAndy 14:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

  • How about having the main page and then having duplicate pages for things such as "Staggers", "Seals" and whatnot.Zei 15:10, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
    That is very do-able. I did the same thing, already, duplicating the content of the rewards for 1-through-9 Boss Battles onto their respective pages. Another option is to have the Summary section be the inclusion part, and the Details section be the click-through part. --SimuAndy 16:11, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • The Simple Answer is this, make different pages for each expansion, Zone boss progression, and so on. Keep this page here with data regarding How to get Started, Generic Data of the NPCs, Explanation of Lights/Chests, and Weakness. In short If it pertains to ALL Abyssea zones keep that data here. If it is specific to a zone move that to a new page. --Tizoc 19:14, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Tizoc for the most part. I like the single page platform Wiki's got going on now, but if splitting it into multiple pages is whats being leaned towards, then I think it needs to be done with a plan. Keep the zones on the intro page definitely. As well as keeping the introduction and how to get started. This would include visitation status, traverser stones, and (how to)navigate abyssea via confluxes. I think alot of the other content could be linked to. Section for mobs for instance. I think keeping the current "Abyssea Force Spawn Monsters" layout is perfect, and you could just include that in the mobs page which would include NMs also. You could also include how to target weaknesses at the beginning of this page. A separate section for Atmas and Abbysites, probably linked to the NM/Mob page via each boss' details/drops. Encampments/Bastion could get its own page. And Emyprean Armor could probably have it's own page as well. You would probably want to include NPC and quest details on the "Encampments/Bastion" section. Also, as far as the sections on lights, chests, and EXPing, I think you could probably have a section like "Partying in Abyssea", that could include all that information. But like I said, I like it just the way it is. This is just my $.02. --Mythik
  • I think this should be split up. A wiki is all about categorization and micro details. If I want to find out about Traverser Stones I don't want to scroll this whole page. It also has too many images. It also combines guidance with basic facts. It's just a big fat mess. ---- dibble 12:08, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

OpposeDisagree, but... :

Tahngarthor TALK - 02:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
One of the things bloating the page really bad is the charts listing what sets of drops for seals can be obtained from which area from which mobs. I think these charts should be removed, as this information is adaquately covered on the individual zone pages. If this doesn't bother anyone, I'll go ahead and delete these charts, as I feel they're redundant and confusing.
  • I completely disagree with the idea of splitting up this page. However, I feel that while saying this, I should provide constructive criticism in hopes of reaching a compromise, as others have. The NM drop/KI charts are tremendous, and I do honestly doubt anyone uses them -- on this page, anyway. It would be good for people who don't want the page to be chopped up too heavily to state what they do and don't use, and that's one thing I never look at. Someone else mentioned that anything pertaining to specific zones should be put onto those zones' pages, and I agree -- those charts should be relegated to their respective zones' pages. Also, what is the point of the banners on the top of the page if they don't link to pages about those specific expansions? They just seem like useless clutter, in my opinion. Their redundancy doesn't even make them good eye candy. Unless they're given a use, I feel they should be removed. Everything else, however -- info about chests, NM weaknesses, etc. -- should stay on this page, I believe. Ctrl+F is your friend, and people who have a hard time loading a page of this size -- which really isn't even that bad, since it's largely text -- are definitely in the minority. Kohan 13:50, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
  • I would either support splitting the sections into their own articles or adding show/hide links in each section. As it is now the page is extremely unwieldy to edit. Mifaco 04:22, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
  • My vote: No change to this article. To some extent there is some minutia that can be referred to elsewhere; but considering the fact as what actually constitutes minutia will vary greatly between readers, I'd say it would be best to leave this article as is with no changes. I find it an excellent "one stop shop". --Endlesspath 07:55, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
  • Disagree. The article may be on one page but it is split between section. I see no reason to have to take some of them and just throw them on to their own pages for nothing. Is the page massive? Yes, 100%, but why is something bad just cause its big. You get everything you want off of just searching Abyssea. If you want a specific zone either type in the zone or click the link not far down the page. The content menu splits it up enough if you want to look at something specific, chances are you know what you are coming in to find. Click what you are looking for then start reading. The only thing splitting this up will do is cause people who are still rusty on abyssea to click through random pages to get everything they need. --Overblaze 18:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Please split this page up with links to the other pages. It's huge and unwieldy. Eldelphia 09:32, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be split up but setting up with links to other pages would make it highly more organized. Right now it's pretty disgusting looking imo. :( It would benefit it if it was changed with a brief explanation on the "abyssea page" and then a more in-depth explanation on another page with a link. -Rinako

I strongly agree that this article needs separation. While I understand why people may like a 'one stop shop' the article is over grown. Separate pages should be made/modified for weaknesses, treasure boxes, NM drops etc. - Razorback, Bahamut

Disagree. This page is great for people that know nothing about abyssea and don't know WHERE to go looking for all the things you guys are talking about. Littledarc 22:26, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

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