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## Article for Deletion

This page was wrongfully deleted before. I described the difference -- this cannot be split up, it is one feral skill. Please discuss. --ShadowsFell 01:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete: Page was previously deleted. The pages already exist at Resist Lightning (Feral Skill) and Resist Earth (Feral Skill)‎. The mobs that have both traits should be listed on each of those pages. --Wayka †Talk† 01:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

They are DIFFERENT feral skills. This is ONE feral skill that carries a +2 Lightning and a -2 Earth ... the others are two different feral skills, one that ONLY has +2 Lightning, and one that has +2 Earth. --ShadowsFell 01:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: You want to adjust the chart and make it five columns, at the end note how much resistance (eg +2, -2) and how many feral points are involved (eg 5, 8).

For example something like this on the Resist Lightning (Feral Skill):

Name Level Zone Description Feral Points
Example mob 1 Some Zone +2 -2 5
Example mob2 2 Some Zone 2 +2 8

Then something like this on Resist Earth (Feral Skill):

Name Level Zone Description Feral Points
Example mob 1 Some Zone +2 -2 5
Example mob3 3 Some Zone 3 +2 8

Comment: Look at the Pankration forum, on the Organization thread ... its being discussed about how each different feral skill should have its own page, because there's a lot of information that needs to go in the table (mob family, zone, level, etc). All feral skills should be uniform. I honestly don't think what you're suggesting would make sense, as the mob list grows. --ShadowsFell 01:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Hmm. I see what you mean (I didn't see the other table, when I began editing last time). Can you change this to a normal delete, and let others weigh in, to get other opinions? --ShadowsFell 01:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Makes sense for this all to be one page, since nobody really cares about these skills. --GAHOO t/ c 03:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete: Having all these split up is messy, if we keep it organized in one place it would make more sense. No use creating articles, not to mention ones that can't be searched for, when it could be explained better on one page. Utilizing subpages if necessary. --CharitwoTalk 03:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: To be clear - i think the Lightning page should show all positive lighning resist possibilities, including those that have some negative earth resists. Similarly, the earth page shows all positive earth resists - with any negatives. There is no need for the earth page to show negative earth resists though. --GAHOO t/ c 03:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Does Resist Lightning (Feral Skill) look good? I'm satisfied with it. If everyone agrees, I can change my vote to delete. --ShadowsFell 12:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I think all these monstrosities should be deleted, there is not enough information to warrant an article(some of which have a single sentence), plus some that CANNOT be searched for. It would be more appropriate to outline these on one page utilizing subpages as needed. Either that or put a Feral Skills section on the relevant articles, whichever is easier. --CharitwoTalk 23:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I see 3 options:

1. Put the information on one page and use subpages if needed. (i.e. Feral Skills/Resist Lightning
2. Merge it into the relevant article in it's own section or the Notes section. Instant Stoneskin (Feral Skill) -> Stoneskin, etc
3. Incorporate it as a subpage of the aforementioned articles.

--CharitwoTalk 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's an example I used with a random pick of the many pages created today:
User:Charitwo/Sandbox5 vs. Demon Killer (Feral Skill).

The links at Category:Feral Skills along with the respective category inclusion linked to it is more than sufficient to cover what ShadowsFell is trying to accomplish. On top of that, people researching information on the skill are more likely to look on the main article anyhow. See where I'm coming from? --CharitwoTalk 00:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean that they can't be searched for? Of course they can, test it out ... any of them come up. And why would the feral skills NOT warrant their own page? There is MUCH more information that needs to be found. The table on the main page is very unwieldly to manage, and edit effectively. It doesn't have enough information (Ecosystem, family). Making a separate page for each feral skill makes sense. How is this different from a Blue Mage spell? They all have their pages. Fire, Fire II, Fire III, all have their own pages. Finally, in the discussion in the Pankration forum, Gahoo's suggestion of making pages for feral skills was widely accepted -- and no one spoke against it. Until one person, now. I feel the overwhelming majority of players want to see the pages ... the Pankration Organization thread I think speaks for itself. And many of the pages only have one sentence because they are STUBs, a work in progress, that need more information on. Pankration came out very recently. Making the suggestion to make the feral skills subpages of the category is like saying all spells need to be subpages of a spell category. Barfire and Barfira are very similar anyway, why do THEY need their own pages? For that mater, why not put Barfire, Barwater, Barblizzard on the same Barelement page? See the point I'm trying to make? Again, I wasn't doing this cause I thought it was fun, not even cause it was my idea. Others wanted to go this route, and myself, as a Pankration player, find it most useful.--ShadowsFell 00:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, first of all watch your tone, you do not need to speak to me like that. Using caps lock isn't impressing anyone. Second, based on the existing and potential information, inclusion into the main article is perfectly acceptable for now and could stand as a subpage if a more in-depth expansion is warranted. Having Skill and Skill (Feral Skill) as separate articles is completely unnecessary when it could be incorporated into the former. I mean some of these are only 1-2 sentences long. I agree that Category:Feral Skills is too big, which is why I am proposing creating a Ferals Skills section of the appropriate article. --CharitwoTalk 00:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Resolution: Delete. --CharitwoTalk 04:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC) $Insert formula here$