Dividing the Category

Okay, so Chris and I discussed that the "adult" wyverns (which is what this page focuses on) should be separated from the the "baby" wyverns (Dragoon Wyverns), since FFXIclopedia defines families by having pretty much the same abilities, with a few exceptions such as elementals and avatars. I didn't put up a move thingy because I couldn't really think of a good name for the new categories. Here is a list of names I was thinking of:
"Category:Adult/Elder/something Wyverns" for "adult" wyverns
"Category:Baby/Young/something Wyverns" for "baby"/DRG wyverns
"Category:Wynavs" for "baby"/DRG wyverns (I have seen this term used to separate the babies from the adults, although it might lead some to think it is solely for aerns' wynavs.)
"Category:Vouivre (Vouivres?)" for "adult" wyverns (I get this from the Demon wyvern pets Kindred's Vouivres and Andras's Vouivre.)
--Jopasopa 10:32, 27 January 2007 (EST)

I don't think they need a category at all. I think the information is succinct enough on the Dragoon Wyvern page. Categories are for grouping together things, but there's nothing to group here, it's only a single page. --Chrisjander 11:53, 27 January 2007 (EST)

What about the monsters' wyverns? Make a list of them on the Dragoon Wyvern page? --Jopasopa 11:59, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Do they use different abilities? I don't know how these mobs behave, so I don't know if they deserve a listing. --Chrisjander 12:25, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Wyverns, such as Mamool Ja's Wyvern have the 6 elemental breath attacks that player's wyverns have. Basically they are on the default "offensive" wyvern, due to their lack of support jobs. Also, the Strifelord's wyverns have AoE breath attacks, I don't know if that's exclusive to him, NMs, monsters, or if wyvern breath is normally like that. --Jopasopa 13:00, 27 January 2007 (EST)

No, they don't use different abilities. Wyvern breaths are also not normally AoE. I think they do deserve their own category though. Dragoon wyverns are monsters. That means people can fight them. That, in turn, means that someone, somewhere might want to know information like what level they are or where they can be found. Looking up DRG mobs isn't a good way to find them because not all DRG mobs call wyverns. As an example to support my arguement, we see a lot of people lately soloing off BST pet mobs. Heck, DRG wyverns would probably be even better for that since they don't use TP moves on their own. In fact this discussion has made me think they might be a great thing for me to go solo off of. I totally agree with not grouping them with the adult wyverns, but I don't think that their abilities is a good basis for excluding them from having a beastiary category. People don't just go to the beastiary categories to find out about abilities. As for the name, "Wyverns" for the adults and "Dragoon Wyverns" for the dragoon wyverns should be good enough. Anything else is unecessary and will just confuse people, something we try to avoid. Just change the Dragoon Wyvern page into a category and be done with it.

If you guys want to get really technical, dragoon "wyverns" aren't even wyverns. Wyverns like the "adult wyverns" in this game have 4 limbs: two legs and two wings. Dragoon "wyverns" have 6 limbs, making them closer to dragons. Why the nomenclature confusion? I have no idea. I realize that didn't add much to the discussion, but I felt like adding it anyway. ^^ --Techno 13:18, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Techno is right about the name. "Wyvern", as in the pet, is a misnomer. A dragoon's wyvern is actually a baby dragon (you know, like Vrtra(sp?)). I still don't think a category is necessary, but having the information is. I think it would be appropriate to have additional information about the dragoon wyverns of DRG type beastmen to have their information at the bottom of the dragoon wyvern page. --Chrisjander 14:09, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Leveling off of pet wyverns could also be viable since nothing links with them, unlike pet monsters. Also, are we really sure pet wyverns are baby wyrms? Pet wyverns' ears and wings look like vouivres' rather than wyrms. (I had always figured their forelegs grew in.) Maybe it goes from wyvern->vouivre->wyrm? Of course, my DRG is only like Lv11, so I have obviously not done the DRG AF quests to find out more about them, if they even reveal anything about them. --Jopasopa 14:35, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Additional TP move

Just saw one of the Gorynich in NW Apollyon use "Tail Crush". It appears to be a single-target damage attack with no status afflictions. I'm not sure whether it exists for pre-COP wyverns, however. --Plight 23:41, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Continuing the topic

So, what was decided on with the wyvern separation discussion? Also, did anyone find out more about "Tail Crush"? --Joped 15:20, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Tail Crush causes a Poison effect. Teorem 16:56, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Another bump. Also, I just found out that black wyverns are indeed undead. I'm guessing wynavs are luminians? --Joped 15:37, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Updated Pankration abilities. Can use Dispelling Wind, Radiant Breath, and Dread Shriek.

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