"Advanced" vs. "Extra"
According to: The Official Playonline Site, the sometimes denoted "Advanced Jobs" are really known as "Extra Jobs".
So please stop changing it. All the unlockable jobs are as "Advanced" as the standard jobs. --Daniel 06:37, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
The FFXI manual states these as Advanced Jobs. As well as the reasoning being you have to be level 30 to unlock them, hence why they are called advanced jobs. This should be changed back, "extra" sounds completely inappropriate.--Aletheia 08:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that Playonline website is more updated than the manual, and on it, the jobs are currently divided between "Jobs" and "Extra Jobs". Given that the truncated label "Jobs" would be confusing for our purpose, we adapted an older S-E term, "Standard Jobs". (See Service and Support Question Q11119.) BTW, the Japanese terms S-E uses are スタンダードジョブ and エキストラジョブ--which are phonetic English for "Standard Job" and "Extra Job"--meaning that S-E's designers picked out the English terms, then picked Japanese letters which best matched the sounds.
- In any case, "Extra Jobs" is correct. --FFXI-Itazura 11:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- I just checked the FFXI manual (FFXI w/ RotZ), and it states "Standard Jobs" and "Extra Jobs". The CoP manual does not include any information about jobs (as none were released in that expansion). The TAU manual mentions "New Jobs", and that's it. These will remain as "Extra Jobs". --◄Chrisjander► t/ c 15:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Look in your ToAU manual again, in the "New Jobs" section, where it goes into the descriptions for BLU, COR and PUP. "Completing certain quests will allow you to access additional Advanced Jobs". So they say Advanced in ToAU. And strange, but my FFXI manual (the original with RotZ) clearly says Advanced jobs, not Extra. Not sure why exactly, unless there was a reprint later on, or before. Either way I never saw that as a way of saying the standard jobs were somehow weaker, or inferior to the others, but more like you had to be at least somewhat "advanced" in order to obtain them. --Aletheia 09:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Or, it takes "extra" effort like completing a few quests?
- The game is Japanese in origin, and I really don't see what's wrong with sticking with terms closest to matching the Japanese terms, especially when S-E is using them on their English web site. "Extra" makes sense to me, as it is neutral and implies only a sense that they are "optional"; whereas "advanced" almost seem to say they are "better" or "improved" somehow. Even if both "Advanced" and "Extra" are correct, I much rather have the neutral toned one. --FFXI-Itazura 09:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well like you said, since they are using that on the Pol website I can only assume thats what they want them referred to as. Even though thats only instance I've found where they use that term. I'm quite sure they called them advanced jobs on the website as well at one point, maybe they changed it for the same reason as your argument, as I agree, it doesn't 'sound' neutral. I'll be curious to read the Wings of the Goddess manual, and see how their referred to in there.--Aletheia 21:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Look in your ToAU manual again, in the "New Jobs" section, where it goes into the descriptions for BLU, COR and PUP. "Completing certain quests will allow you to access additional Advanced Jobs". So they say Advanced in ToAU. And strange, but my FFXI manual (the original with RotZ) clearly says Advanced jobs, not Extra. Not sure why exactly, unless there was a reprint later on, or before. Either way I never saw that as a way of saying the standard jobs were somehow weaker, or inferior to the others, but more like you had to be at least somewhat "advanced" in order to obtain them. --Aletheia 09:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Unlocking job pages in order to allow people to add new abilities and spells. --Gahoo 15:04, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
S&W sections
Perhaps these should just be removed completely. S&W are inherrently subjective. If someone wants to make a subjective guide about a job and its S&W so be it, but maybe these pages are not the right spot. Maybe it should just have a sentence instead which objectively describes what it is that this job does. I.e. someone new to the game should be able to go to WHM and learn that it is a healer. --Gahoo 14:00, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
I think the part on the bottom with the pie charts is reversed as far as the dates is concerned. the 2005 yeay shows the ToAU jobs. --Just Bri Thanks 04:17, 26 October 2006 (EDT)
Main Stats
I think this addition looks silly and rediculus. It's too opinionated of a subject to me and shouldn't really be on the main jobs page. --Zero 21:16, 2 December 2006 (EST)
Also, two jobs (Bard and Beastmaster) have a stat that they don't natively use (MP) listed as one of their "main stats". --Serynth 16:05, 3 December 2006 (EST)
I agree withb Zero. I vote for these additions to be removed. --Gahoo 09:42, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Its also seems to be based on opinions. Main stats WAR? HP. Yet not to Monk who gets Bonus HP... mmmk. They also are quite tacky. --Edamus 23:06, 4 December 2006 (EST)
And now it looks better. ^^ --Chrisjander 00:10, 5 December 2006 (EST)
New Look
I know someone has put a lot of time into redoing the job pages, but... um... they look really bad, sorry. The old style was much better. The redone ones are much too busy and it is more difficult to view the info. The pastel color scheme seems a bit hard on the eye as well. Why put all the extra lines and formating in? It only detracts from the awesomeness that they once were. Can we please have the old style back?--Sparik 07:17, 16 December 2006 (EST)
The original plan was just to delete the Strengths and Weaknesses sections because they were entirely subjective and subject to lengthy debates of what should and shouldn't be in there. However, when the discussion to delete the S&Ws came up, Administrator Gahoo wanted to also reformat the page. I, however, liked the white. I lost the vote. So the pastel went in. So to answer your questions, we took a vote on the forums, and us white-background supporters lost. --Mierin 11:33, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Summoner
I've had conflicting information as to whether SMN was released as a RoZ "preview" in late March or early April 2003, 1-2 weeks before the release of RoZ. If somebody knows when it was added, please add that to this page. I'm modifying the statement added to the main page to avoid confusion (i.e. so many people think SMN was around since the start and don't release it is a Zilart Job even though what phase/expansion of the game it is associated with it a little dicey). --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 10:35, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Nevermind, I see that it was removed by someone else. Guess that happens when you browse all the site updates since you last visited and miss some of the more recent corrections as you scroll up. I do remember FFXI- Dreams in Vana'diel forums having some info on when the Job was released based on their chatter back in March or April 2003. I could go back at some time and check to see when exactly they start talk about unlocking SMN. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 10:38, 3 January 2007 (EST)
I believe SMN was released during the update that proceded(read prepared for) the actual release of Rise of the Zilart. I do not know how long that was before the actual release however, or an actual date, so I only post on talk. Karthal 11:05, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Ordering
Is there any paticualar reason why the starting jobs are in the game's listed order and the extra jobs are in alphabetical order? Shouldn't it be listed all like this:
Warrior - Monk
White Mage - Black Mage
Red Mage - Thief
Paladin - Dark Knight
Beastmaster - Bard
Ranger - Samurai
Ninja - Dragoon
Summoner - Blue Mage
Corsair - Puppetmaster
--Zero 17:12, 11 September 2007 (CDT)