FFXIclopedia:AfD Discussions/RMT List reference by Ayrlie

Article for Deletion - RMT List reference by Ayrlie
Delete: Although I don't doubt the good intentions of this page, this really looks like an easy way to spread rumors and point fingers at our fellow players who simply have more gil/gear than others, let alone the actual RMT members. - Hiachi 17:04, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: Agreed. --Ichthyos 18:44, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: Ì always wonder how you get proof on someone being RMT anyway, and I doubt people really can get full proof. None of the reasons given can fully differentiate RMT from general botters / campers and such Without this, it is nothing more then finger pointing and not something for the wiki in my opinion --Jengel

Keep: It is up to each indiviual server to maintain the lists. How they identify them is up to them. I'm not keeping track of known RMT accounts with the exception of the server I'm on. If you have a problem with that, just keep in mind knowledge is power and knowing the peeps that are up to no good can help you make the right decisions. The servers that do have lists already up made them to single out players that have proven time and time again that they are willing to cheat. RMT is cheating. I'm not going to edit the RMT lists with the exception of adding links to server lists that are already out there. -- Ayrlie 18:34, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Comment: One way is to, sadly to say, make a purchase from IGE or other places, and find out who sends the gil. SquareEnix should do this and find out where the deliverers (undoubtedly they will not be the same account as the farmer characters) get their funds and delete those accounts, though anything that costs money is 'out of reach' for those Squares. - Hiachi 19:38, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Comment: These pages link to Allakazam forums, a bit of hypocracy going on here. A page full of RMT lists, linking to a site run by the biggest RMT company going? Either we should start our own lists or recreate them on here, not link to a site where every page visit gives IGE more money. -- Aequis 20:12, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: This is not FFXIclopedia material. This is not the type of factual information we strive to keep here. At best this belongs in the forums, and even there, it's such a controversial topic I'm not sure how well it would go. This is absolutly not wiki material. The only reference FFXIclopedia should contain to RMT, is the definition of RMT in the guide that contains shorthand. This page will most likely be removed. --Ganiman 23:12, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Comment: Perhaps its best in a personal blog? --Chrisjander 23:58, 11 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Comment: This is a way of opening a door to allow accusations to start flying around. That's just drama.  If someone wants to keep this up to date in their blog, that might be ok because they might just tie themselves up in the drama that way rather than bringing others down with them --Ganiman 07:27, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: Maybe it should just be Deleted to avoid furthering along this drama? --Nynaeve 08:47, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: I agree that this should be deleted/moved to forums or better yet a blog. I think that RMT itself is subject to a valid entry describing what it is and its effect on the game - but it should be an article and not a naming of names. --Gahoo 09:30, 12 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Comment: I will also add an interesting and relevant story here. The other day I was participating in a Besieged event and a LS member with a somwhat "GS sounding name" was shouting for a group.  The PT leader refused to invite him because he believed him to be a GS - which of course he isn't.  I don't know whether this person is listed on any GS list or whether it is just the name, but either way the fact is that these lists are not accurate and can be used to slander certain players.  --Gahoo 09:39, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: I have to say Delete. Because it's non-factual, and somewhat biased, it doesn't belong in wiki. --Feba 11:28, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: This article violates both the spirit and rules of Wiki, It holds no redeeming values nor does it have any affects on the actual problem of RMT.--Thrasher 17:43, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: This is not wiki material, since gilseller character/gil farmers/etc. are extremely hard to prove, and even if it is factual (in the case where there is absolutely no doubt) it still doesn't belong here. I say delete this page and paste the contents into the creator's talk page so he can move the contents to a blog or other non-wiki source. (No need to be mean to the good intentions of the original creator) --Chrisjander 19:54, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: I agree that this does not belong in the Wiki.--SZK 15:11, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: A breeding ground for unsubstantiated rumors. GMs have access to tools that players don't, and even they can't always tell who is and isn't an RMT. If someone wants to maintain a personal hit list of suspected RMTs on their server, fine, but it shouldn't be legitimized by including it in FFXIclopedia. Karinya of Carbuncle 15:35, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Delete: Or at lest that is what I would have voted, except that I missed the 5 day time period stated in the FFXIclopedia:Guide to deletion : "When an article is nominated for deletion, the FFXIclopedia community may discuss its merits for a period usually no less than 5 days, in order to come to a public consensus about whether the article is acceptable." (The nomination appears to have been on July 12th.) A list of people suspected to be RMTs will end up being a witch hunt. I don't think we want that here.--Davian 17:31, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Resolution: Deleted July 18, 2006