Category talk:Campaign Operations

IF anyone knows the true answer for this dilema i've just ran into, please edit this. I thought i knew how the Campign OPS and which ones were available worked. I was under the assumption that the more areas a nation controls, the more Ops are available. Sure enough this past Sunday (12/9) Bastok gained 2 more areas on Garuda for a total of 5 (the only area we dont' control in our region is Pashow). As soon as that happened i went to Hieronymus and sure enough Bastok had more (almost all) OPs available, except for the few i will list now:

Supply Transport: Crimson Domino I Security: Streetsweeper II SUpplly Manufacture: Crystal Fist II Offensive: Smokescreen II Defensive: Aegis Scream II Intel: Hawk Eye II Military: Brave Dawn II

Now I suppose if we take PAshow as well those will become available, problem with that is if there's no areas under Quadav control we CAN"T do some of them. >.< But as SOON as bastok got more areas and OPs unlocked i went and did Smokescreen I, Slaughterhouse I, and Hawk Eye I. I had 3 OP credits and the Quads still had PAshow, so i wanted to get those cleared.

However here's the dilema. I get on today, I have 2 OP credits, and I wanted to do Brave Dawn (costs 1 OP credit). It's Tuesday, only two days since the Tally. Since i did the 3 OPs in Quad areas i listed in the previous paragraph, i did get another promotion.. I now have the Allied Ribbon of Bravey (3rd medal). But as weird as it would be, getting a promotion isnt' the problem. Because a LS member still is on his second medal and he had the same problem. I went to look at the OP mission list and MOST of them had vanished! The only ones available were the ones that were there when this started (Stock and Awe I, Material Storm I, Vanguard X-I, Crystal Fist I, Iron Anvil I)! Everything else was gone. I'm sitting there like wth?!?! Bastok still had 5 areas. We didn't lose any areas... so why did we lose Campaign Ops selections??? If anyone knows how Campaign Ops REALLY work, please shed some light.

[reply] i am also on garuda, but with sandy. i've found that at the beginning of conquest updates there are more quests avilable because of what was chosen at the NPC that asks about what we should improve. (the Army Curate) i found that there is only a limited number of each quest available and when they are gone they are gone. if anyone else can comfirm this please reedit this.

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Availability of campaign ops also is affected by your nation's current war climate and battle strategies. It would seem to be me that a nation currently focusing on preemptive strikes would have access to more offensive operations than one focusing on defense and intel gathering. P.S. This should probably be on the talk page. --Dewin 20:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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A country's prosperity, fortifications and resources are all effected by which Campaign Ops are completed. I know morality is reduced from losing a battle, but not sure if it can be increased, in part, by having maxed out the other attributes. Also, i have not yet been able to test whether certain missions are no longer available after maxing out a specific attribute. For example, doing the Campaign Op 'Crimson Domino I' will increase your nation's resources. If you can accept this mission after resources are maxed out (300/300 for example) i don't yet know. --Dorren 23:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Job Change possible?
I'd like to get the exp on a lower level job then my highest level job which is 66WAR, since my WAR is in a static with my b/f's WHM. But my next highest is 41 and in some areas it can be a bit dangerous with a 41 running around, so I was wondering if anyone knows if you can start an Ops with one job change to the higher job to complete the fighting (such as the Defence Ops) and then go back change jobs again to the lower one and get your Ops assessment and the reward? --Demigoddess 02:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The XP is awarded the moment the op is completed, not when you go turn it in. The allied notes are earned when you turn it in. Thus, it's impossible to get the XP on a job different from the one that completed the op. The notes COULD be earned by a different job, but that doesn't really accomplish anything. --Dewin 21:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Campaign Ops Table Format
I was looking at the picture form the .DAT files that User:Wayka posted on Talk:Materiel Storm I (W) how it showed that the Ops mission have up to tier 3. I made a table with all the know missions and it looks like this: SandBox1. I think it's too big as it is. I was going to add it to this page but I don't like how long it looks. Can someone think of a different way of displaying them with Bastok and San d'Oria (to put in this page) and not make it look huge? Thanks --Lito 06:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

When I did the 'new'ish layout (which the current one is a derivative of), I actually had a singular "Reward" column that listed Notes/XP as seen here: User:Dewin/Campaign_Ops_Reorg. This saved some horizontal space, and also allows for other rewards to be listed (if some later campaign op can also grant an item or something). --Dewin 20:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

What about something like this: User:Dewin/Campaign_Ops_Template. It's implemented using a handful of custom templates, so the layout can be adjusted without having to touch the actual content. --Dewin 21:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This looks really nice. Few nits.  1. I would change is the color of the footer (maybe match the top). 2. Links for "XP" and "Notes". -- 22:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The footer color was chosen to match the "Legend" of mob aggro shown on zone mob lists for consistency, though it's possible you caught me in the middle of tweaking it and didn't see it. Also, I thought linking the same term multiple times was a nono (with it linked the first time that it is mentioned), am I mistaken in that regard?  Either way, it's trivial to update the templates.  --Dewin 22:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What should I name the resulting templates, and should I build them in Template: or as subpages of this page? (Does a subpage of a category become a subcategory in its own regard, and will the fact that it's a category page break the template behavior?).  There are five altogether: Start and end of table (includes headers and footers), Campaign Ops Category (with a parameter for category name and number of ops), Campaign Op (the individual table rows), and Campaign Rank (changes "ribbon1", etc. to what you might expect.  They COULD feasibly be reduced into as few as three, with the start/end templates combined (which ensures they both are used) and the Campaign Rank template included in the Campaign Op template (but then it can't be used elsewhere). --Dewin 22:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll build them as subpages of the category, that should work since I just realized that works and the templates are specific to this page. --Dewin 01:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)  Update Actually this makes them show in Special:Unused Categories, so that's a Bad Thing.  I'll just build them as regular templates.--Dewin 02:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I divided in the previous versions both Experience and Allied Notes columns - so ppl could sort Campaign Ops by these items (needs to add autosorting to main row). I think the change (B/S/W) is good - since more Campaign Ops will show up, but lets divide the last column as it was before --Huckster


 * Autosorting won't work properly because the first column spans multiple rows. If it was possible I would have done the same.  It's a moot point though - any op that gives more notes than another op also gives more XP, so sorting by notes effectively sorts by XP as well and vice versa. --Dewin 16:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I split them by popular request. It's in the templates, so won't show in the edit history here. --Dewin 19:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks very nice now! Medals too :) --Huckster

Category Display
If we want to save even more horizontal space, we could eliminate the "Category" column of the table and instead have the categories be a cell that spans the entire width, i.e. like this (but more pretty)

I don't know which style I prefer myself, but I wanted to toss it out there to get people's opinions on it. It would requires template changes to implement so this page itself wouldn't need to be touched. --Dewin 19:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Medals
Moved the medal listing to the main Campaign Category page.--Meara 13:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirect from Campaign Operations
Can someone with the appropriate wiki-skills add a redirect from Campaign Operations to Category:Campaign Operations? --Lleo 23:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Done --Dewin 05:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)