User blog:Haldarn/Fish, Fishing, and Categories

This is continuing the discussion with User:Karuberu and User:Snorglepuss from Karu's wall, as it got off-topic and more involved.

Anyone else who reads, please do weigh in with your opinions (but do read the post above to see what's been said so far). Cross-posting to our Discord too, so thanks if you've come from there.

This is purely about data structure, not page formatting or the data itself (which will follow).

Analyzing our current Category:Fish, there are a few exceptions for consideration:
 * Land Crab Meat cannot be fished up, is not a 'fish' and appears under 'Ingredients' on the Auction House, BUT it can be eaten raw by Mithra, as if it were a fish. To deal with this, I've changed Template:Food so that instead of a Type parameter of 'raw fish' giving a page Category:Fish, it has a new category - 'Raw Fish' (I've changed 'raw meat' from 'Ingredients' to a new 'Raw Meat' category too, to keep it in line)
 * Ashen Crayfish, Duskcrawler and Voidsnapper are all fish, and are fished up in the three Escha zones and are used to pop NMs, so don't appear as fish in the AH, but rather under Misc. 2. The first two appeared in our Category:Fish only due to missing placeholder info as a Mithra food, so have now disappeared. They are, however, fishable.
 * Dragoneye isn't fishable and doesn't appear on the Auction House due to its nature, but currently does appear in our Fish category. It's a quest item for Mog Gardens that can be received (along with a lot of other fish and items) via the Pond Dredger (albeit with a specific bait attached).
 * Fat Greedie is fishable, and also doesn't appear on the Auction House due to its nature, but likewise currently does appear in our Fish category. However, it can be used in Fisherman's Heart and Under the Sea, so behaves like most fish in-game.
 * Odontotyrannus (Item) is a fish, doesn't appear on the AH due to being, and as it's a PLD quest item, it doesn't behave like other fish with regards the standard fish quests (as above). You get it as a drop after defeating a monster with the same name that is fishable , though only with a special bait that you can only receive from that quest. It doesn't currently appear in our Fish category, but I included it for consideration as BG-Wiki does (perhaps incorrectly by our standards).

In my opinion, our Fish category should directly reflect the Auction House listing. So I postulate we should have the following categories:
 * Fish that lists only the 182 varieties on the Auction House (I am aware that eg Category:Swords includes swords not on the AH, but I also take issue with that... see conclusion below).
 * A Raw Fish category for Mithra Food. Most (maybe all but one, but there could be others?) items in this category are also in the Fish category. Have implemented this already.
 * A Fishable category which includes all of the Fish category, plus the three Escha pop fish, plus the Fat Greedie, plus the 18x items Great Blue has listed as fishable, plus Gil, plus all fished up monsters (including Odontotyrannus, despite the quest pre-req, but not Odontotyrannus (Item) which is a drop)
 * A Pond Dredger category, which includes the 24 different fish, three items and two special items (from the Super Baitball) we have listed on the Pond Dredger page.
 * A Coastal Fishing Net category, similarly for fish and items listed on the Coastal Fishing Net page.

Currently, the Fish category is a sub-category of the Fishing category, which explains all of the Guild information, and has a second sub-category of Fishing Gear (as well as a number of empty Recipe categories - ie fishing caps, which presumably populating these being the reason for all this, once the category structure is in-place).

I'm not sure how to proceed with this, as I take some issue with the AH listing on any guild or combat skill category page (they should be their own series and not include items in my opinion.  I'd appreciate suggestions, but my own preference is to keep the AH out of Fishing and on Fish, with Fish and (Fish by Cap Rank) as sub-categories, along with Fishing Gear.

Also to have the new categories Pond Dredger and Coastal Fishing Net as sub-categories of Mog Garden Hobbies (as Category:Mog Garden is already in use as a subcategory of Key Items), and make category pages for the other Hobbies to go alongside them, with perhaps the main Mog Garden Hobbies page having all of the necessary info from and linked from Mog Garden.

Right, so whaddaya think?