User talk:Charitwo/Archive6

User page
Those are templates that Gahoo originally created, that Eleri and I finished up. Intended for everyone. He can go ahead and copy my active/complete list, probably just trying to figure out how it works anyway ;P (delete this at will, I know you're on "vacation") -- 14:12, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Congrats. I'll take a look, lol. I know my page has been used as the direct basis for others (I've kicked up enough fuss about it in the past), so I generally don't get too bitchy unless they completely copy it outright and only replace my name with theirs >.> -- 14:22, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Colors
Ok, I'll keep that in mind.

It looks fine to me. I just changed the templates; it shouldn't have broken any links. ~ Karuberu 19:49, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

That's strange... are you sure it's what I did that changed it? I've looked over things and it shouldn't have done anything to the color. ~ Karuberu 19:56, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Wow... that's very strange. I don't really know what to do about that. Like I said, it doesn't look that way for me, so I don't know how to fix it. I guess it should be reverted if it's screwing up pages. ~ Karuberu 20:11, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Ah, I've figured it out. It's something to do with Internet Explorer. It works on Firefox, so I wasn't seeing anything. I figure it has to be the "style=normal" that's messing things up, but I don't know. ~ Karuberu 20:14, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

I still don't know what exactly caused it, but I managed to fix it. Unfortunately, now non-template colors need to be lowercase when used with the template (red works, but Red doesn't). ~ Karuberu 21:54, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

I'm still changing it from grey to gray because I'm still not up to grabs on how the coding system works, so I'm keeping it easy by changing the letter to the correct format. Pyrix 20:29, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Favourite Greens
It's not an item, it's a placeholder in the example (read the line, you'll see). Single brackets are traditionally used that way and can be used that way on the wiki (it only creates a link if it "http://" are typed in it). ~ Karuberu 18:55, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Talk page
There you go again... editing my talk page.... if you have nothing to add to a talk page, then they should be left alone, your comments or not  20:16, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Per your comments on the talk pages, the quoted section has nothing to do with what ganiman is complaining about. I distinctly remember you badgering me for making similar additional minor edits to your talk page, which caused additional talk page messages to appear on your screen when I was making minor edits to correct/edit/improve what I had written on your talk page. The annoyance to other users for relatively useless changes to their talk pages is essentially the same. Don't worry about fixing links on User pages, and more especially don't worry about fixing links on Talk pages. When we move or delete pages, we will just delete the page and break the links. If the User is that concerned, they will fix it themselves. If you have nothing to *add* to the page, just leave it alone. -- 21:54, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

I've already talked to you about this once... and you said you never do it. But then you did.... I told you that talk pages are meant as an archive, and whether talk pages contain broken links or not, that is not a reason to edit them. It's bad practice and in certain situations it can reflect poorly on your personality. Don't come back attacking me on my talk page when I defend you and your actions on a regular basis. Do what you will with your own talk page, although I could argue some of your practices there are poorly handled as well - like when someone leaves something you don't want to hear you are very quick to remove it so others don't see it - but it's your talk page and I leave it alone, just as you should do for others. If someone doesn't care about maintaining their talk page for broken links, or doesn't care to fix the broken links, that's not for you to decide.

I find it amusing that you quoted: "But if this watchfulness crosses a certain line, then you are overdoing it." You are most guilty of monitoring other user's edits and have crossed that line. Telling me that Gahoo did something wrong is crossing that line. You need to lighten up. As I said before... you have no idea the amount of time and work we have put into keeping this site running. Slapping some deletion, move and welcome templates on pages hardly stands up to what we have done. Your work is more than appreciated, but throwing policies in an admin's face because you don't like what someone had to say is only going to work against you. I have stood up for you on numerous fronts. I had to put up a fight to give you more abilities on this web site. Keep those things in mind before you decide to talk back. Don't be so confrontational. Loosen up. Put a smile on. And remember, not everything requires you to respond 11:09, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Nah
Quote: "Because all I ever get is negative feedback for my contributions. --Charitwo 21:04, 21 July 2007"

Lies... All Lies. I said Thank you, like at least twice. :) -- 21:10, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Weapon Skills
These actually are not being properly reflected in the Weapon Skills category. So these changes were warranted. The category code is somehow conflicting with the youtube code i think. The categories need to be moved to the top of the page, where it seems to work. -- 19:04, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Ose
I don't want to start an edit war, so I'll tell you why I changed the Ose page again. Here are some rules I use when editing NM pages: Just wanted you to know in case you took offense or just wanted to know. ~ Karuberu 19:51, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Placeholder information can be really confusing, so having a more detailed version of the text is better than a condensed version, as long as it's understandable.
 * "Killable by" information is always good to include on the main NM page, as long as it's breif (generally no subjobs, equipment, etc.). Long lists of jobs should always be condensed if possible (i.e. "mages" or "melee", or just "most jobs at level X"), but don't always need to be.

You need to keep the level of the drops and the area in mind too. Assault Jerkin is level 67, so a party around 67 might want to take it down for the drop (in this case, it can be killed at a lower lvl). Parties around 61 exp there, so knowing that two parties teaming up can kill the NM is also nice information. And of course, solo info is always nice. Not much I can say about the placeholder information, I guess we just have different tastes there. ~ Karuberu 20:08, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I know, I usually condense the list after there are 5 or so jobs (or a wide variety). Ose's info was just on the edge, so I left it as it was (don't want people to run off trying to solo something they can't). ~ Karuberu 20:14, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok, that works. I tried to rewrite it myself, but found I was just making it one, long, verbose line instead of two lines. ~ Karuberu 20:22, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Castle Oztroja Chest Contents
Hello! When I opened the chest I was farming as MNK75/THF26 for Ni scrolls to sell. I had a key and found the chest (a couple of times) and opened them, solo the entire time. The lowest I got was 3.2k, which is what I changed the lowest chest amount to, and the highest was around 4.1k (which was still lower than what was originally there).

Also, I'm new to this site so I hope I used this feature correctly. Let me know otherwise. Thanks! --Marious 20:04, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Experience Chain Page
Just some advice. I agreed with your reverts both times on the Experience Chain article. Without any explanation, his deletions were pure vandalism. However, after you had to revert his edits a second time, you should have gone ahead and locked page like Chrisjander did to prevent further edit wars. Then told him if he wanted a change, to put it on talk page. This would have saved you the trouble of dealing with his further vandalism. Although I ultimately disagreed with your position, I thought you handled it almost perfectly. -- 22:36, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Template:Title
That template is not used anywhere, and therefore can't "break" the wiki unless it is used. You're red announcement will prevent that. Templates should not be protected. -- 17:36, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Artifact Armor Set Pages
So are these the only special occasion where head-to-toe does not apply then?--Cactuar 05:46, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Noticed there is no consistency what so ever. Relic Armor page display items in Descending order, Relic Armor Set page is head to toe, Artifact Armor is ascending order. Needs to be consistency amongst formatting throughout the site. RSE page has head to toe formatting, but the rse set pages are ascending level order. All pages relating to "sets of armor" need to be the same. - Cleric-yokiko 06:01, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

I believe at first, I ordered relic armor by levels. 70 on top, 75 on bottom. Until I was told on Talk:Monster Armor Set that Armor sets go from head-to-toe. Now I don't know what to do regarding Armor sets.--Cactuar 06:59, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

"Armor sets need to be organized from head to toe, if there is a 6th piece, such as in artifact armor. It goes after the feet piece. --CharitwoTalk 00:33, 28 June 2007 (CDT)"

There is no set order for these that I know of. A discussion has been started on the forums. I don't like the head to toe ordering, I like it done by level. Level is the order in which you are able to wear it. In the case of AF+1, I'd order in the same order you can obtain the normal AF. Let's continue this discussion on the forums though please 07:46, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Picture Replace
I uploaded it within 15 seconds after i had removed the content. It was easier to do this method. Please do not add subtle jabs such as im far too fast for you on my talk page. The only reas there was a 15 second gap is because i had a jpg instead of gif version so i had to resave as gif to match the previous file. Thank you for understanding. -Cleric-yokiko 21:23, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Rename
I've confirmed that the Special:Renameuser function does not work. -- 17:40, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Sitenotice
Only if a guide is made. -- 19:06, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

items
quest redirects to Category: Quests  =) --Rog

ugh... ill do it that way for now, but im not changing the other ones i did >.> --Rog

because i got used to doing it that way >.< sorry x.x --Rog 20:58, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

i checked over that page, and compared it to another, and...what exactly else needs formatting?

yeah, that's what im doing, unless i'm just editing one section. easier to edit just the section if you're not changing anything else ^^ --Rog 13:58, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

how is it redundant? it says possible so duo with 2 72nin, but is very hard, when infact it was easily solod by a 75 nin. the comment there now, makes it sound like its hard, when it would be very easy to duo with 2 72 nins, and probebly could be solod by a nin at 72.

Template:Guild Points Value
Yes. I think it is "final". -- 08:15, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

Line Breaks
Regarding the testimony pages, there should only be one  after a list, since it automatically breaks after the list ends. Two breaks makes it look too spaced out. ~ Karuberu 19:52, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

AH Template
Yeah, I already know... if you checked out recent edits, I tried to removed all cases of it. And in the past hour, I just noticed the Guild Points section too, so I've been working on that as well. Thanks! ^^ 08:57, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

sure thing^^ --Rog 18:05, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

it can do as many things as ya want at once, as far as im aware. --Rog 18:48, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

found it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot

Rage!
Aahh, yeah I saw the discussion right after I changed the wiki. I guess I'll put in my two cents. :) 08:43, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

White Space
What's your problem with white space (empty lines) on pages? A single empty line doesn't do anything other than seperate the code and make it more readable. I have no problem with you removing it, just wondering why. ~ Karuberu 18:35, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I knew about that. User:Japolo has made a few useless edits because of it. Anyways, I have sort of the opposite reaction; if a page has no white space, it looks cluttered to me. It doesn't bother me enough to edit a page over, but still kind of annoying. It seems to me it's one of those "editor's style" things and a page shouldn't be edited solely for that purpose. ~ Karuberu 18:56, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Umm... you have your facts wrong. I was *removing* blank lines, not adding. And botting? The last time I checked, that involved code/scripts to automate a task. Am I making a series of small edits to a lot of pages? Yes, without a doubt. Am botting? I think not. Are you an admin? If not, then leave me alone. - Japolo 21:30, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

I guess we both didn't know that the edit section function adds a blank line at the end of the section, but now we do. I'll avoid making edits removing blank lines unless there is some other edit to that section. Just something to think about for the future, I wasn't aware that you had added messages to my talk page until I logged in from home and happened to notice the new messages notice at the top of the page. I would have seen it/them sooner if you had put those messages under a new section on my talk page as that triggers an e-mail notice as opposed to just a message flag at the top of the page. It also would have been better received if you had *asked* if I was botting instead of *stating* that I was botting. Assuming that I was botting didn't come across as a "good faith" assumption. -- Japolo 08:14, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Have I really made that many edits? O.O I guess all I can say is time flies when your working away on something. I've been working on a project that's both on and off the wiki. I have a master crafting spreadsheet that I'm checking against/with the wiki and trying to improve the consistency of the wiki pages by using the {Craft|XX|(YY)} template, the color templates ({Wind|Xx}), inserting commas into lists, using italics, making sure that normal and HQ item pages agree on crafting levels, the Used In section is accurate (at least for all synths that I know about when I hit the page). Most of this is things that the average user probably wouldn't even notice, but I'm an engineer with some AR tendencies. Honestly, I haven't even been looking any higher that the middle of the page for a week or so. -- Japolo 08:59, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Sorry for butting into your business a little there. I was going to leave him a message about the white space issue anyways and I thought I'd try and resolve a related issue in the process. Also, if you're interested, I left Ganiman a message about Roger and his botting a few days ago (so far he hasn't responded). You probably know more about his edits than I do. ~ Karuberu 14:54, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Image Revisions
Yeah, sorry about those reversions. It was an accident. It would be nice if there were a confirmation page for that action. It's kind of dangerous to be able to revert something with just one click. --Beaux 08:54, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

I agree with this, I didn't know what the "Rev" was. There really should be a confirmation page for that. --Suteru 08:32, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

RE: Bot Policy
k, will do ^^ -- 08:26, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Software
"When naming articles or uploaded files, there are certain characters that cannot be used in the name. " Applies equally to user names. -- 08:22, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes - except I can't even get at it to block it. -- 08:25, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Edit War
1. Don't presume that I have not looked at the history and talk page when I weigh in on admin duties and edit wars. Of course I have. I checked everything. 2. IEscape was not involved in an edit war and should not have been "warned". It could have been corrected with an explanatory note. There was absolutely no reason to lock the page. 3. As you know, you are not an admin. If I tell a user they should not have been warned, then you should not be second guessing that determination on their talk page. -- 21:24, 11 August 2007 (CDT)

Ascalon
Weapons only display the element in color. -- 11:28, 13 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Frankly they are inconsistent throught the site. Check out the weapons linked on Charged Ammunition for example. -- 11:40, 13 August 2007 (CDT)
 * I like the Flame Degen style. -- 13:07, 13 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm... it does look better as a link. -- 13:20, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Demon Horn
I didn't take a screen shot of it. I was trying to sell it in Sandy, where I have max fame. It was 666 gil, I remember because I thought it was funny and commented on it. Since it goes for more on the AH, I have listed it on there now. If I ever happen to have another of those, I'll get a screenie of the sell price for you. Cavilie 11:00, 13 August 2007

This is SE we're talking about... I'd believe they'd do something like that. The developers and writers have a fine sense of humor. -- 12:36, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Images to be replaced
Most of these look fine to me. Am I missing something? -- 11:36, 15 August 2007 (CDT)