Talk:Ridill

Here's some data regarding Ridill proc rate over the course of 1020 rounds of attacks:

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36% single attacks, 44% double attacks, 20% triple attacks.

The test was conducted by Searain on Garuda server as War/Nin (hence the +10% DA from the job trait influenced the double, single and triple attacks distribution somehow) while single wielding Ridill; the test subject wasn't benefitting of the effects of any Double/Triple Attack enhancing item/food/buff/merit upgrade (such as Brutal Earring, Warrior's Cuisses, Fighter's Roll and so forth).

For this to have any meaning, we'd have to do some serious math, or do this with a job that doesn't have double attack. -- 13:31, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Its purpose is showing what kind of proc rate Ridill displays when used by a Warrior, easily considered the best Ridill-wielding class of the game, nothing more, nothing less and surely nothing that would require any kind of mathematical analysis to be understood.

Besides, this test alone debunks the "33-33-33" hits distribution theory (at least for Warrior users) that kept being mentioned (but never concretely back-up'ped with some sort of data) on the most popular message boards for the past few years and basically always taken for granted since it somehow matched the impression Ridill gives when eyeballing its proc rate on multi hits, which is enough of a meaning to justify a publication on the wiki.

I'm in the process of repeating the same kind of test on Thief (natural Triple attacker) and DRK/NIN (neutral as in it doesn't have any "native" DA or TA job trait) so we'll have some more data available to start making a comparison and eventually try figuring out the interactions between double/triple attack bonus from job traits and the multi-hit properties of the weapon (what checks first, which one prevails, etc.) and perhaps, as a consequence, the discovery of the real proc rate will ensue.

It would seem to me that Double Attack only procs on the single hits (making them double), otherwise we'd see more 3's and some 4's from WAR. We can take that same assumption and apply it relatively reliably to Triple Attack. Putting this small sample through some mathematics would reveal a 40/40/20 between singles, doubles, and triples respectively if we count assumed double attacks as "singles that proc DA". The math behind that being: "10% DA" only can proc on singles, meaning the "36% of total" reported singles would represent only "90% of single hits", as the other 10% of singles would be represented as part of the "44% of total" reported doubles. If 36 is 90%, then 4 is 10%, meaning "4% of total" reported doubles are actually "singles that proc DA". That makes the distribution for this sample for warriors as 40/40/20. For a more conclusive test as to just the proc rate of Ridill, it would need to be tested with, as you suggest, a neutral job such as DRK, BST, RNG or SAM (without WAR sub, though I'm not sure if there's any difference with Zanshin, so maybe not SAM) and preferably with a sample size of at least 5,000. -- 21:02, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Interesting however I believe that Double Attack from gear/merits/buffs/food doesn't stack with multi-hit'ting weapons such as Joyeuse and Ridill otherwise a Warriorninja using the Ridill/Joyeuse combo would be able to perform 7-hits attack rounds which to my knowledge is practically impossible; yes, it'd be allowed by the gameplay since the limit seems to be 8 hits per round, it just never happens with the aforementioned weapon combo (single wielded Joyeuse never triple attacks while Ridill never hits four times in the same round) whose cap, afaik (and I've been using this weapon combo religiously for over a year now, I would have noticed something by now) is actually 5 hits/round regardless the quantity of Double and Triple attack that you've artificially inoculated in your character.

I'll post something else once our tests are done (unfortunately neither Thief nor Dark Knight are in their 70's so I have to rely on a few friends for the next tests which slowed down things a tad), thanks for the interesting contribution tho, having to deal with an intelligent interlocutor is definately useful.