Talk:Besieged Server Records

Server Losses (Details)
This is a more detailed table with all the information above. It's everything I have gathered up. I'm using this to determine the order servers lost their 1st besieged, who lost twice before the others, who lost first, second, fifth, etc to the Undead, etc. It's only for maintaining records, NOT for any bragging rights (every server has its strong points and weak points). My eventual aim is to have a Server Statistics section on each server page with information derived from this, the order Relic Weapons were obtained in/which ones a server obtained before other servers, etc, and the order the servers beat Twinkling Treant in. See its page for a table of the info I was able to gather up on it.

If your server lost in besieged, please post the date it has happened along with the army that won the AC. Any other notes (time it happened, lack of peeps, etc.) is helpful. When it comes to tiebreakers, the time of the day it happened will be the first tiebreaker.

BESIEGED SERVER LOSSES -> NOT COUNTED
 * Fenrir [1]- 4/27/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (due to a maintenance)

-> NOT COUNTED
 * Alexander [1]- 5/19/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (due to a maintenance)

Information: an English-speaking poster said it was "a week or 2 ago" (from a May 28th post), but a Japanese blog was found with pictures of 3 Lamia guarding an Astral Plinth and a mention of the names of those NMs on their May 27th entry. Therefore it is assumed this loss was one day earlier, May 26th. -> 1st loss for Garuda -> 1st server to lose (not due to a technicality) -> 1st loss to Undead Swarm
 * Garuda [1]- ~5/26/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 1st loss for Hades -> 2nd server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Hades [1]- 5/28/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 1st loss for Seraph -> 3rd server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Seraph [1]- 5/30/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 1st loss for Ifrit -> 4th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Ifrit [1]- 5/31/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 1st loss for Cerberus -> 5th server to lose (not due to a technicality) -> 1st loss to Mamool Ja Savages (not due to a technicality)
 * Cerberus [1]- 6/5/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

-> 1st loss for Midgardsormr -> 6th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Midgardsormr [1]- 6/7/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (4:45PM EDT)

-> 1st loss for Ragnarok -> 7th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Ragnarok [1]- 6/7/06 to Undead Swarm [nighttime or earlier] [afternoon- early evening?]

-> 1st loss for Bismarck -> 8th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Bismarck [1]- 6/8/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

-> 2nd loss for Midgardsormr -> 1st time a server lost 2 times -> 1st time a server lost to 2 different armies
 * Midgardsormr [2]- 6/15/06 to Undead Swarm [noon or earlier]

-> 1st loss for Shiva -> 9th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Shiva [1] - 6/15/06 to Mamool Ja Savages [it was during the afternoon]

-> 2nd loss for Bismarck -> 2nd time a server lost 2 times
 * Bismarck [2]- 6/18/06 to Undead Swarm [<<<< time needed <<<<]

-> 1st loss for Pandemonium -> 10th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Pandemonium [1]- 6/18/06 to Undead Swarm [23:00 GMT]

-> NOT COUNTED
 * Odin [1]- 6/19/06 to Undead Swarm (due to a maintenance)

-> NOT COUNTED
 * Fairy [1]- 6/19/06 to Troll Mercenaries (due to a maintenance)

Data: fell due to only 250 people being in the zone at the time. -> 1st loss for Remora -> 11th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Remora [1]- 6/22/06 to Undead Swarm (7:30PM EDT)

-> 2nd loss for Hades
 * Hades [2]- 6/26/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 1st non-technical loss for Alexander -> 12th server to lose (not due to technicality)
 * Alexander [2]- 6/26/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

-> 3rd loss for Midgardsormr -> 1st time a server lost 3 times -> 1st time a server lost twice to the same army [unless Hades2 lost to Undead]
 * Midgardsormr [3]- 6/27/06 to Mamool Ja [late on June 27th]

-> 2nd loss for Seraph -> 2nd time a server lost twice to the same army [unless Hades2 lost to Undead]
 * Seraph [2]- 6/28/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 2nd loss for Ifrit
 * Ifrit [2]- 6/28/06 to Mamool Ja [early afternoon]

-> 1st non-technical loss for Fairy -> 13th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Fairy [2]- 6/29/06 to Mamool Ja [4:45PM EDT]

-> 3rd loss for Hades -> 2nd time a server lost 3 times
 * Hades [3]- 6/29/06 to Mamool Ja [~9:30PM EDT]

-> 1st loss for Kujata -> 14th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Kujata [1]- 7/2/06 to Mamool Ja [early afternoon] [before 7:29PM EDT]

-> 1st loss for Asura -> 15th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Asura [1]- 7/2/06 to Mamool Ja [afternoon]

-> 3rd loss for Bismarck -> 3rd time a server lost 3 times
 * Bismarck [3]- 7/2/06 to Undead [about 23:00 GMT]

-> 1st loss for Gilgamesh -> 16th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Gilgamesh [1]- 7/4/06 to Undead

-> 4th loss for Midgardsormr -> < > server to lose 4 times
 * Midgardsormr [4]- 7/4/06 to Mamool Ja [around 22:25 GMT]

-> 2nd loss for Garuda
 * Garuda [2]- 7/5/06 to Undead


 * Hades [4]- <<< date and army needed >>> (on or before 7/5/06)

-> 2nd loss for Asura
 * Asura [2]- 7/5/06 or 7/6/06 to Undead [evidence points to 7/6/06]

-> 1st loss for Sylph ->17th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Sylph [1]- 7/6/06 to Undead

-> 2nd non-technical loss for Fairy
 * Fairy [3]- 7/6/06 to Undead

-> 3rd loss for Seraph -> 4th or 5th time a server lost 3 times
 * Seraph [3]- 7/6/06 to Undead [before 20:50 GMT]

-> 2nd loss for Remora
 * Remora [2]- 7/7/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 4th loss for Bismarck -> 3rd time a server lost 4 times
 * Bismarck [4]- 7/10/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: Trolls attacked earlier in the day and claimed 3 generals were taken prisoner. They were not rescued in time. People stopped caring once the server's unbeaten streak was broken and did not show up for the Mamool Jas. -> 3rd loss for Remora -> 6th time a server lost 3 times
 * Remora [3]- 7/10/06 to Mamool Ja [~23:50 GMT]

-> 2nd loss for Ragnarok
 * Ragnarok [2]- 7/11/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 2nd loss for Sylph
 * Sylph [2]- 7/12/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 2nd loss for Gilgamesh
 * Gilgamesh [2]- 7/12/06 to Mamool Ja [around 7:52PM eastern time]

-> 4th loss for Seraph -> 4th time a server lost 4 times
 * Seraph [4]- 7/13/06 to Undead


 * Hades [5] 7/??/06 to ????? [sometime between July 6th-15th]


 * Hades [6]- 7/17/06 to ?????

Data: Only 200 people showed up for Level 5 attack. 2 Generals were defeated right off the bat and it went downhill from there. -> 4th loss for Remora -> 5th time a server lost 4 times
 * Remora [4] - 7/17/06 to Mamool Ja [~20:30 CDT]

Data: Took about 4 days to get it back
 * Seraph [5]- 7/18/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 1st loss for Diabolos -> 18th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Diabolos [1]- 7/18/06 to Undead (around 4:00PM EDT)


 * Pandemonium [2]- 7/18/06 to ?????


 * Bismarck [5]- 7/18/06 to Mamool Ja [heard it in passing, would like more confirmation]

Data: Undead were only at level 3. This happened at a time frame where most EU are offline, most JPs are at work, and most NA were getting off from work. Less than 300 people were in the zone. -> 5th loss for Remora -> 3rd time a server lost 5 times -> 3rd loss to undead swarm
 * Remora [5] - 7/20/06 to Undead Swarm [~18:00 CDT]

Data: they stated they were undermanned -> 1st loss for Phoenix -> 19th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Phoenix [1]- 7/19/06 to Undead Swarm


 * Asura [4]- 7/21/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: less than 400 people defended the city -> 1st loss for Ramuh -> 20th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Ramuh [1]- 7/23/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 2nd non-technical loss for Alexander
 * Alexander [3]- 7/23/06 to Mammol Ja

Data: took them 3 days to recover it		-> 3rd loss for Sylph
 * Sylph [3]- 7/24/06 to Mamool Ja

-> NOT COUNTED The Trolls attacked once, were defeated, and then attacked again immediately due to a bug which was fixed in the 7/26/06 patch. The 2nd Troll attack was also interrupted by a server maintenance.
 * Carbuncle [1]- 7/25/06 to Trolls

Data: only 200 people in the zone at the time
 * Ragnarok [3]- 7/25/06 to Undead

Data: The first Besieged lasted 2½ hours. Then, there was a following attacks, which caused the whole Besieged event set to last 6 hours. The server lost due to players not sticking around during the 2nd besieged. They noted the Trolls were advancing for a 2nd round as soon as the Mamool Besieged cutscene began. They didn't get to do their 2nd attack though. -> 1st loss for Valefor -> 21st server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Valefor [1]- 7/25/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: After the maintenance in the morning, all 3 armies attacked. The Mamool went first and was defeated, but the Trolls attacked next and got it. -> NOT COUNTED The attack started immediately after maintenance ended (with no marching time) and there were too few people in the zone. The Mamool Ja (first attackers) were defeated (25-30 min after maintenance ended), but the Trolls won.
 * Quetzalcoatl [1]- 7/26/06 to Trolls

Data: The Trolls attacked twice, back to back, then emergency maintenance started. -> NOT COUNTED
 * Pandemonium [3]- 7/26/06 to Trolls

Data: The trolls attacked, then the server was booted for maintenance. -> NOT COUNTED
 * Fenrir [2] - 7/26/06 to Trolls

Data: The trolls attacked, retreated, and attacked again due to a glitch. -> NOT COUNTED
 * Cerebus [2] - 7/26/06 to Trolls

Data: lost it with 300-400 people in the zone. They said before the update, they could win with that many people, now they get completely plowed by the invasion forces -> 1st non-technical loss for Odin -> 22nd server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Odin [2]- 7/27/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: needs information
 * Fairy [6]- 7/30/06 to ?????

-> 1st non-technical loss for Carbuncle -> 23rd server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Carbuncle [2]- 7/31/06 to Mamool Ja

-> 1st server to lose 8 times -> First win for trolls (not due to a technicality)
 * Hades [8]- 7/31/06 to Trolls

Data: needs information
 * Garuda [4]- 7/31/06 to ?????

Data: Undead invaded right before maintenance, and peeps were forced offline due to maintenance. Undead held control of the AC between 40-44 hours until it was recovered. -> NOT COUNTED
 * Remora [6]- 8/1/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Undead invaded almost immeadiately after the end of maintenance. By the time people started to log in, it was too late.
 * Alexander [4]- 8/1/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Mamool Jas entered right after the Trolls attacked. Trolls took several generals prisoners and the mamool jas had easy access to hall of binding.
 * Valefor [2]- 8/1/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: Undead attacked right before this besieged and claimed all the generals prisoners.
 * Ifrit [3]- 8/1/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: All three beastmen armies were invading. Only 3 generals to start. Less than 150 people were able to get there prior to besieged.
 * Sylph [4]- 8/1/06 to ?????

Data: Just a simple lack of people defending the city. No reported short-handedness of Generals, but not ruling out the possibility of it starting with less than 5.
 * Shiva [4] - 8/3/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Needs information.
 * Hades [9]- 8/3/06 or 8/4/06 to ?????


 * Phoenix [2]- 8/7/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: Needs information. Loss happened sometime between 8/6/06 and 8/8/06.
 * Kujata [2]- ????? to ?????

Data: Mamool Ja only at level 4 for attack.
 * Remora [7]- 8/9/06 to Mamool Ja (~22:30 CDT)

-> First non-technical loss for Quetzalcoatal -> 24th server to lose (not due to an technicality)
 * Quetzalcoatal [2]- 8/11/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: Less than 450 defending a level 5 attack, 2 generals fell within a minute of each other, 1 fell about 20 minutes later, not 30 seconds after that AC was stolen. Unknown amount of Generals to start with, but obviously at least 3.
 * Shiva [5] - 8/13/06 to Undead Swarm (19:30 EDT)


 * Odin [3] - 8/18/06 to ???


 * Phoenix [3] - 8/18/06 to Undead Swarm (~17:00 EDT)

Data: 3rd beastmen army won the AC. The first two groups took all 5 generals prisoners.
 * Pandemonuium [4] - 8/21/06 to Mamool Ja

Data: 2 besieges took place approximately 3 hours before maintenance that took all the generals prisoner. Only 1 general was liberated before maintenance. Took the Undead less than 15 minutes to win the AC as peeps were unable to log into Al Zahbi in time. The other two armies were advancing when the Undead won.
 * Remora [8] - 8/21/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: 4 Generals had been taken in the 3 Besieged after the August 21st update. Unsure how many we recovered, obviously not enough.
 * Carbuncle [3]- 23/08/06 to Mamool Ja Savages


 * Diabolos [2] - 8/23/06 to Undead Swarm (needs confirmation on date)

Data: Working to confirm loss circumstances. Speculation says simple lack of people fighting.
 * Shiva [6] - 8/25/06 (or 8/26/06) to Mamool Ja Savages


 * Quetzalcoatal [3] - 8/27/06 (needs confirmation on army)


 * Odin [4] - 8/27/06 (needs confirmation on army)

-> 25th server to lose (not due to an technicality) Data: Astral Flow from one of the NMs wiped out the final general and most of the zone around that general, turning the tide of the battle into the Undead favor.
 * Caitsith [1] 8/28/06 to Undead Swarm (~04:30 CDT)

-> 26th server to lose (not due to an technicality)
 * Unicorn [1] - 8/28/06 to Troll Mercenaries (~16:47 EDT)

-> 27th server to lose (not due to an technicality) Data: Undead won with -ga and AOE spammage despite approximately 400 people in the zone.
 * Leviathan [1] - 8/29/06 to Undead Swarm (~13:30 CDT)

Data: Trolls took several generals prisoner in level 5 attack about 3 hours before Mammol Ja invaded. There were also less than 300 people in Al Zahbi during this attack. Took between 54 to 57 hours before it was recovered.
 * Remora [9] - 8/30/06 to Mamool Ja (~21:30 CDT)


 * Seraph [8] - 8/31/06 to Mamool Ja (~03:00 CDT)

Data: Need exact confirmation on date.
 * Sylph [5] - 8/31/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Need confirmation. Apparently happened sometime during 8/31.
 * Bismark [9] - 8/31/06 to ???

Data: Less than 200 people defended Al Zahbi. Took 3 days to recover AC. -> First non-technical loss for Fenrir -> 28th server to lose (not due to a technicality)
 * Fenrir [3] - 9/1/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Need confirmation.
 * Phoenix [4] - 9/2/06 to ????


 * Quetzalcoatl [4] - 9/6/06 to Undead Swarm

-> 29th server to lose (not due to a technicality) Data: Alla forums mentions lack of people in Al Zahbi.
 * Titan [1] - 9/6/06 to Troll Mercenaries (~23:30 CDT)

Data: Need confirmation on army.
 * Odin [5] - 9/7/06 to ???

Data: happened sometime between 9/6 and 9/10. -> 1st Server to lose 10 times
 * Bismark [10] - ??? to ???


 * Diabolos [3] - 9/9/06 to Undead Swarm


 * Gilgamesh [5] - 9/9/06 to Mammol Ja

Data: AC still not recovered as of 9/17
 * Seraph [9] - 9/11/06 to ???

Data: Need confirmation on army. Happened late on 12 September.
 * Leviathan [2] - 9/12/06 to ???

Data: Need confirmation on army.
 * Unicorn [2] - 9/13/06 to ???

Data: AC still not recovered as of 15 September
 * Odin [6] - 9/13/06 to Mammol Ja (early afternoon)

Data: Less than 200 people defended.
 * Remora [10] - 9/13/06 to Undead Swarm (20:50 CDT)


 * Bismark [11] - 9/14/06 to ???


 * Titan [2] - 9/15/06 to ???

Data: 4 Generals present at start. Undead just too strong. ->AC finally recovered 227 hours later. 9/24/06
 * Asura [10] - 9/15/06 to Undead Swarm (19:00 CDT)


 * Quetzalcoatl [5] - 9/15/06 to Mamool Ja Savages


 * Gilgamesh [6] - 9/17/06 to Undead Swarm

Data: Unknown on date of defeat, but happened in mid-september. Undead only at level 4.
 * Hades [11] - ???? to Undead Swarm

Data: Despite over 400 people defending, undead won with a massive Belly Dance inside the Hall of Binding after one of the Bhoots used a massive TP move to wipe the generals. -> 30th server to lose (not due to an technicality)
 * Bahamut [1] - 9/21/06 to Undead Swarm (01:20 EDT)


 * Midgardsomr [11] - 9/21/06 to Undead Swarm (~15:50 EDT)

Data: Trolls were only at level 3. Mammol Ja invaded less than 8 hours prior to the trolls and claimed 3 generals prisoner. Less than 150 defended Al Zahbi.
 * Remora [11] - 9/21/06 to Trolls (~17:00 CDT)


 * Quetzalcoatl [6] - 9/24/06 to Undead Swarm (between 02:00 and 14:00, PDT)


 * Midgardsomr [12] - 9/29/06 to Trolls

NEEDED: Fairy's 4th & 5th loss Hades' 5th, 6th, 7th, & 9th loss Garuda's 3rd & 4th loss Bismarck's 6th, 7th, & 8th loss, and the date of the 10th loss Shiva's 2nd & 3rd loss Kujata's 2nd loss Asura's 5th - 9th losses Seraph's 6th and 7th loss Any other server losses not posted on this page that had happened Beastmen army for the server losses marked with ????? (at least 5-6 so far)

Servers undefeated as of 21 September: Lakshmi Siren

--zoogelio-forgot-his-password 14:14, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Server Record Discussion
Maybe there should be a section on server records, like the order each server first lost a besieged and to whom. Maybe every 2 or 3 months, this section, or maybe subpage could be updated by people from each server to give the win:loss ratio over time. I envision a table, like 2Q 06 3Q 06 4Q 06 1Q 07, etc, with rows for each server.

Here's what I've gathered so far:

Losses

Fenrir- 4/27/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (due to a maintenance)

Garuda- mid-May to Undead Swarm (source) --Ichthyos 14:48, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Alexander- 5/19/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (due to a maintenance)

Hades- 5/28/06 to Undead Swarm

Ifrit- 5/31/06 to Undead Swarm

Cerberus- 6/5/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

Midgardsormr- 6/7/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

Ragnarok- 6/7/06 to Undead Swarm

Bismarck- 6/8/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

Midgardsormr- 6/15/06 to Undead Swarm (source) --Ichthyos 14:51, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Shiva - 6/15/06 - to Mamool Ja Savages --Snojoex 15:54, 19 June 2006 (PDT) (NOTE: I can't remember exact day last week, but I am almost positive it was the 16th, anyone else can confirm these, please do.) - I managed to confirm it occurred on 6/15/06. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 12:57, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

I was informed Shiva lost to the Mamool Ja, not the Trolls, as previously thought. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 20:30, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Bismarck- 6/18/06 to Undead Swarm (source) --Ichthyos 14:48, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Pandemonium- 6/18/06 to Undead Swarm (source) --Ichthyos 14:42, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Odin- 6/19/06 to Undead Swarm (due to a maintenance) (source) --Ichthyos 14:32, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Fairy- 6/19/06 to Troll Mercenaries (due to a maintenance) (source) --Ichthyos 15:18, 19 June 2006 (PDT).

Seraph- 6/??/06 to Undead Swarm

Hades- 6/??/06 to ?????? (2nd loss)

Remora- 6/22/06 to Undead Swarm []

Alexander- 6/26/06 to Mamool Ja Savages

Midgardsormr- 6/27/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (3rd loss so far)

Seraph- 6/28/06 to Undead Swarm (2nd loss, separate from previous Undead loss)

Ifrit- 6/28/06 to Mamool Ja Savages source --Ichthyos 00:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Fairy- 6/29/06 to Mamool Ja Savages source from Aurik. --Ichthyos 00:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Hades- 6/29/06 to Mamool Ja Savages (3rd loss so far)

Asura- 7/2/06 to Mamool Ja Savages source --Ichthyos 14:21, 3 July 2006 (PDT)

Kujata- 7/2/06 to ?????? source --Ichthyos 14:21, 3 July 2006 (PDT)

Midgardsormr- 7/4/06 to ?????? source --Ichthyos 00:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Gilgamesh- 7/4/06 to Undead Swarm source --Ichthyos 00:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Garuda- 7/5/06 to Undead Swarm source --Ichthyos 00:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Ragnarok- 7/11/06 to ?????? source --Ichthyos 15:41, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Gilgamesh- 7/12/06 to ?????? source --Ichthyos 21:09, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Sylph- 7/12/06 to Mamool Ja Savages source --Ichthyos 04:39, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Diabolos- 7/18/06 to Undead Swarm source --Ichthyos 17:04, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

I've got the data table I'm working with down below. I just wish I could get the information from Hades. All the missing information's basically from them. So far, it seems nobody has lost to the Trolls (outside of that 1 server maintenance). --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 01:42, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

Phoenix- 7/19/06 to Undead Swarm ~16:30 EDT recovery ~24:00 EDT --Hanyoko 01:50, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Carbuncle- 25/07/06 Trolls followed immediatley by Trolls + Maintenance = loss (rant: maintence said would take a few minutes and it is now at 2hour mark) will update table when I get the wins.--Perim 15:11, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Excluding the 4 technical losses:

7 losses to Mamool Ja,

11 losses to Undead,

0 losses to Trolls,

3 data missing

Conclusion: the Undead are the most powerful, the Trolls completely suck--zoogelio-forgot-his-password 19:51, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

If people can update the missing info from Ifrit's 2nd loss and add new losses, that would be cool since I'm only going to be able to check forums for any server losses sporadically between now and late July. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 17:22, 4 July 2006 (PDT)

Apparently, only Odin & Fairy lost during the June 19th Blitz. I still have yet to hear from Bahamut, Phoenix, Alexander, Ragnarok, Cerberus, Bismarck, Hades. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 12:57, 21 June 2006 (PDT) - Shiva's sole loss was the 15th, as you confirmed, nothing on 6/19. --Snojoex 17:41, 21 June 2006 (PDT) I heard back from Bahamut, Alexander, Cerberus. Alexander lost

Any server not listed here apparently hasn't lost.

And before the July update, can players from each server get their win-loss numbers so we can have the record in case the update purges it. If updates purge it, then we can just post the win-loss ratios for the segments between updates (since FFXI regularly has 5 updates/year in Feb, April, July, Oct, Dec).

--zoogelio-forgot-his-password 18:32, 10 June 2006 (PDT) -- updated: --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 16:31, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

Remora lost to Mammol Ja Savages on 17 July 2006. Only 250 peeps in Al Zahbi for the level 5 attack. -- Ayrlie 21:43, 17 July 2006

How to determine records
Booya! It just hit me, we have this column (in server order, not alphabetical: so Bahamut on top, Hades on bottom) and record the scores, the date listed and if scores are purged every update, we create a second table, one with the date stripped from it and just the final score listed. So, in essence, there would be 2 tables: the active besieged cycle and the historical cycle, both listed separately. And when an active cycle becomes a historic cycle, it will be moved from the active table into the historic table, forming a new column, and the active table becomes blank. That's if the scores are purged.

I recommend going ahead with what you outlined above. Server order is found on the server page on FFXI wiki or by checking the connection status of all servers on the POL website. (I'd like to see Atomos Server's score. I'm sure its 0-100 by now :D)    --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 17:08, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Edit: I still would like to keep a running account of server losses: when and to whom at least until every server has lost once to all 3 armies.

How do you look up the win-loss record? Do you have to talk to an NPC or is it given somewhere on the regional map? The article doesn't mention this. Thanks. --Pinkfae 14:22, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Talk to any Sanction guard, select "I have some questions..." > "Besieged." > "Empire's current state of defense." --Ichthyos 14:27, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

See Sanction. --Gahoo 14:29, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

--- Besieged timers reset after every maintenance. Expect 2 to 4 besieges within a short time once maintenance ends. -- Ayrlie 23:23, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

FFXIclopedia needs reporters for Alexander, Ifrit, Ragnarok, Pandemonium, Garuda, Cerberus, Kujata, and Seraph. Anyone who's a regular on here who can post the numbers for these servers?

And I'm wondering if it can be coordinated to get officially designated reporters for all 32 servers who can update the numbers for their server here weekly (whatever day of the week suits them best). And to get these same people to post the numbers the hours before the July update (just in case the numbers get purged with the update so we can have numbers that are collected at about the same time for all servers so the most they could be off is by 1). --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 13:11, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

Fairy apparently lost again today: http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=125926 --Aurikasura 18:05, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

--- The records of remora server may not be up to date for now. I've been forced away from the game due to personal reasons. --Ayrlie 18:51, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Records moved
The records look nice on their own page. A little room to spice up the page, but I have to say I'm pleased with the move --Ganiman 05:59, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Asura info
Ah Asura lost at least once to Mamool Ja >.< I'll check and edit later what the new 'score' is because it's been back since err Saturday and I know we won the next attack by the trolls --Tattersail 06:31, 10 July 2006 (PDT)

7/13 Seraph loss #4 Undead

We need someone reporting in for Hades, I read on one forum they had their 6th loss on the 17th. I've managed to get information for all servers' losses completely except for Hades. I have no info on their 4th or 5th losses (when and who), nor who they lost to on the 17th. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 01:42, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

FYI. Phoenix's first lost came 7/19/06 to undead swarm. --Gahoo 13:18, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Hmm, I think the data section is a good idea. I'm beginning to notice a pattern to the losses (not that many people in the zone). Whenever we get losses posted, if people can check how many people are in the zone, we may find out where the cutoff point is for winning/losing (at what point below which victory is extremely hard to pull off). Though it would still be nice to get Hades' data since they're the little black hole in the data set (I'm a little pissed on that point because all my avenues for finding out turned up nothing so far and none of their forums, here, Allakhazam, FFXI Online: Dreams in Vana'diel, KI, have people who would post or know that information, and searches of blogs and live journals and doing a few searches using different search terms came up negative as well). --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 19:48, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

I see Fairy has 5 losses. I need info on when the 4th and 5th losses were and who they were too. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 00:25, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

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Ramuh lost on 23 July 2006, according to the forums on ffxionline.com. -- Ayrlie 18:29, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

Can we have final reports on Besieged victory-loss numbers for all servers before the update starts? Try to get the word out to get everything updated here.

No reset with the update. --Tsakiki 19:57, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

Carbuncle's loss today was due to a maintance that started in the middle of the fight. way to go sqeenix.... :( our loss was to the trolls Ferine 19:02, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Bahamut's probably about to lose. Just had a 2 hour event vs. the undead swarm (win), leaving us with 1 general and the mamool ja at stage 2.--Timon of Athens 03:49, 28 July 2006 (EDT)         Hmm.. seems we pulled out a win after all. Surprising considering how many people left, me included.--Timon of Athens 03:51, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

Carbuncle have lost again, off to bed so can't check wins/losses to update the table, will do it in the morning. Loss was to the Mamool Ja Savages.--Perim 21:10, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

According to posts on Killing Ifrit Hades forum, they lost to Trolls either on 30 July or 31 July. -- Ayrlie, 00:51, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Remora got screwed out of the AC. Undead attacked shortly before maintenance begin, and people were booted due to maintenance. There were over 500 people awaiting the undead. Ayrlie, 15:31, 1 August 2006 (CDT); edited 15:47, 4 August 2006.

Phoenix lost to Undead Swarm today(8/18/2006) ~17:00 EDT. --Kaeli 17:05, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Yet another loss for Carbuncle ;_; loss was to the Mamool Ja. We only lose so we don't show up the other servers, ya know >.> --Perim 13:20, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Titan
Titan might lose. We started with only 190 people in the zone, and only now are people pouring in AFTER 5 generals died.

EDIT: Nevermind. Come from way behind victory. Terance

Phoenix loss #2 - 8/7/06 to Mamool Ja. --Gahoo 15:17, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

proposal to move server losses list to another section
I'm making proposal to move the server losses list to a new page. Feel free to comment on whether or not it should be moved. -Ayrlie, 9 August 2006, 22:06 (CDT)

I'm not sure about that right now. I was using the data to gather some facts to add to each server page, like Server X was the nth server to lose Besieged for the first time and the mth server to lose to the Undead, lth to the Mamool Ja, kth to the Trolls. I was just planning to collect this data until every server has lost once to the Mamool Ja, the Undead, and the Trolls. I think it doesn't merit a page of its own since it's more of a data pool. But, it can also be used to gather information on Besieged, like determining how many players are needed to successfully defend Al Zahbi (where the critical population threshold is). So, I think leaving it here is the most logical choice. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 08:46, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Proposal is dead for now. However, expect some minor rearranging (will likely move the server losses details towards the top), and I created a section for people to list future defeats. -Ayrlie 24 August 2006, 09:10 (CDT)

Moved the detailed server losses section to the very top. --Ayrlie 1 September 2006, 11:57 (CDT)

Server Order?
Hmm, someone changed the list from their server ID / POL.com order into alphabetical. I'm personally ok with it, but just wanted to point it out. --Ichthyos 02:03, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Eh, I don't like it all that much. I'm too used to seeing Shiva 2nd from the top, when I came this morning to change its record, I actually had to scroll down the page >.>;; kidding, I'm not THAT lazy, but I personally preferred the POL ID order > Alphabetical, just cuz I guess I was used to the list from the POL site. But, I guess I can adapt. Snojoex 12:40, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

I kind of like alpha here. --Gahoo 13:03, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Quetzalcoatl lost legitamately to the Mamool Ja Savages on August 11th, 2006. We got it back sometime the next day.

I preferred it in POL ID order. Not only did I start to memorize the order they were in, but I like things being consistant with in-game and official stuff. --Jopasopa 08:30, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Post recent server losses here
For now on, if your server loses a besieged, please post the date, estimated time of defeat, and the army that won that besieged down here. Any other information (such as lack of generals, lack of peeps, maintenance, etc.) is helpful but not required. In addition, we are still missing information about besieged losses from several servers. Ayrlie 24 August 2006, 09:06 (CDT)

Bahamut
Bahamut lost on 21 sept to the undead swarm. During the fight, I saw 3 generals go down due to the Bhoots' special attack, Perdition, at 3 different times. 350 climbing to 400 people participating. Lamia No.4 took the astral candescence after spamming her charmga inside the hall of binding.--Timon of Athens 01:29, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

Kujata
Is Kujata's loss record of 34 real? --Russta 16:43, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Um. A check ten minutes ago says otherwise. I don't think we're that bad at Besieged. --Tony 08:02, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

Fenrir
Has Fenrir lost 3 times? Last I checked, it lost only because of maintenance.

It was confirmed via Killing Ifrit that they had lost on 7/26 due to the Troll glitch. Their recent loss happened sometime between 1 September and 3 September, but I need confirmation on exact date and the winning army. --Ayrlie 5 September 2006, 07:48 (CDT) Update:  someone posted on Fenrir alla forums they had lost to the undead and AC was recovered on the 4th. 3 September 2006, 13:58 (CDT)

current record for Fenrir
as of Sept.14, current Fenrir record is 251 victories and 5 losses. Don't know when exactly Fenrir lost the defense but this should make the stats more accurate.

Midgardsormr

 * 1) Undead Swarm took the Candescence today, Sept 21st.  That brings it to a total of 11 losses and 243 victories.  Not sure when the other losses were that weren't counted in the table. --Tythera 15:53, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
 * 2) Trolls took the Candescence today, Sept 29th.  Brings Midgard to 12 losses and 256 victories overall.  --Tythera 15:37, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

Data Synthesis & Tactical Analysis
I'm trying to gather data from all the reported losses for statistics to differentiate each server (along with other metrics like performance in Ballista Royale 2005, fighting the Twinkling Treant, obtaining Relic Weapons [ranking in obtaining at least 1 of each of the 16 types of relic weapons or the first server to obtain a relic ___], etc) for information to put on their server page (besides interesting events, like the time Vrtra appeared on the surface of KRT, or the time a GM forgot to put on Invincible status and was killed by a Camazotz) just to individualize them more (even though all servers are almost identical in terms of great players, cliched noobs, RMTs, lowsy players, endgame squabbling, and so on). I was planning on synthesizing the other data from Besieged battles, like what the threshold is for # of defending players to successfully protect the AC, though I'd like for someone else to do that since I'm still working on getting historical articles for the history of each Job in FFXI so far and the history of each FFXI Job across the FF series (like in what game does Chakra originate, or Convert, or so on).

Can someone pour through the data associated with each loss and generate a tactical analysis to determine what it takes to win or lose a Besieged? The findings should be added to the main besieged page. Structurally, there are 3 major variables to take into account: number of defending players, number of generals at the start of battle, level of the Beastmen army. Obviously there is no one magic number, but there should be a minimum threshold of players needed for guaranteed success at each combination of Beastmen army level & # generals. There may even be a 4th variable: type of Beastmen, especially since there are far more losses to the Undead & Mamool Ja than to the Trolls (though many of those losses were before the Trolls were strengthened with the July changes).

I envision this as a text section describing how each variable impacts the chances of success/loss of a Besieged event and maybe having some sort of table, where one axis is the # of generals present, the other is the LV of the Beastmen army and the numbers in that data table will be the minimum number of players needed to successfully defend the city under those conditions. It may be worthwhile to have 3 tables like that, one for each army. With as much as players of FFXI love to devise strategies to beat mission bosses or NMs or the best ways to play a Job, this Besieged tactical analysis would go right up that alley and I'm sure would be of interest to many readers. With as often as Besieged goes on and 32 separate servers, there are more than enough opportunities to figure out where the limits are. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 15:44, 24 September 2006 (EDT)