Talk:Monk Guide by Gisselle/Archive1

Archiving here old discussions from the talk page of my monk guide. --Gisselle 03:26, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

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Boreas Cesti
Ok, since it is still coming up, i make a seperate section to discuss them. They have to be compared to Impact Knuckles, the level 32 weapon of choice. I think we all agree, that they have to be better than these, or the camping of the NM will not be worth it. After all, then you would use the Boreas only 2 levels.

Advantages of Boreas: +0-7 wind damage, faster.

Advantages of Impact Knuckles: 2 more base damage, +1 Str, +3 Acc, 0.3% more tp/hit

I do not use any 3rd party software, so i can not parse them. But the statistics are pretty clear in my opinion. In the very best case Boreas are equal to Impact, and for me that does not qualify Boreas over Impact, and even less makes it worth camping an NM. An NM by the way which can not be taken down solo with a lvl 30 monk. You need a higher level job or help. Then you will spend hours in Beaucedine Glacier. My opinion is to use Impact. To go into detail: tp and speed about cancle each other out. Base damage and str are about equal to the wind damage. leaves the advantage of +3 Acc on Impacts. If anything is more advantageous for Boreas, then it will not be more than these +3 Acc. So whichever angle you take to look at this issue, there will be no big advantage for Boreas. Impact Knuckles are easy to get, since they drop from Mee Deggi the Punisher, which is farmed for Ochiudo's Kote, so they are usually available for a sensible price in the auction house. --Gisselle 11:04, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Heh, but there's just something cool about Enspell effects ^^ --Chrisjander 11:18, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Lol, but yes, they seem to fascinate people. Ah, and i found a use for the Boreas Cesti: Any level 30 cap situation where you want to go as monk. Probably the best weapon for these cases --Gisselle 17:05, 4 December 2006 (EST)

The NM for them doesn't seem so bad, since all it drops is this weapon. Rare/ex means people wouldn't camp it unless they were using it, and with an approx respawn of 1-2hours, it managable for friends to help an aspiring mnk. --Chrisjander 20:27, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Just want to weight in here; hands down, best weapon all the way to the cross-counters has to be Hydro Claws +1- if you can find them. Make sure you have Kilo Pumps though. The additional effect doesn't go off as often as I would like, but it should happen at least once every other fight; when it DOES go off though, it usually does between 30-50 damage (I've seen it do 50 a couple times, never higher, that's probably the cap). As a plus, they have the same damage rating as the Impact Knuckles but less delay. +1 STR isn't much at all, and +3 acc isn't really that much either. No need for Boreas Cesti either, these are level 30. --Toksyuryel 20:55, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Well, i dare to differ. They are for sure not the best weapon up to cross counters. And i really do not like the idea of depending on a very occasional boost of damage. Monk is all about dealing damage over time, and every punched missed is a loss, and every damage on every punch counts. But, for the 2 levels from 30 to 32 they are an alternative. Their availability is very low, but if you want a replacement for your previous weapon, it is a good choice for sure. At 32 i still recomend Impact Knuckles. On the camping: probably you can get the Boreas Cesti drop pretty good, but its not a 100% drop. At these levels, think about how fast you gain a level. One jungle party and you are from 29 to 32 in one evening, if its a decent one. So... as i said, go for them if you want to go camping and have a unique weapon, but its far away from a recomendation by me. --Gisselle 11:08, 6 December 2006 (EST)

In any event even the NQ Hydro Claws are way better than the Boreas Cesti, even without kilo pumps, it's just not worth camping period. I would suggest removing them from the list and replacing them with the NQ Hydro Claws, which are generally available. And don't forget that even though some people will only use them for two levels in xp parties, there are lots of level 30 capped events that these will be very useful in. --Toksyuryel 12:33, 7 December 2006 (EST)