Talk:Accomplice

There seems to be a bit of confusion about this ability. Only half of the target party member's enmity is stolen. This means that the Thief has X more enmity than the target party member after using Accomplice where X was the amount of enmity the Thief had before using Accomplice. Sadly, X is generally rather small. Thief has almost no way to hold onto enmity once the mob is facing them.

Unlike Invincible, Perfect Dodge does not generate large amounts of enmity. If you were to use Accomplice followed by Perfect Dodge, all other characters should cease generating enmity and use that 30 seconds or so to regroup and try to rest a little or else Perfect Dodge will likely be wasted.

The main way to lose enmity is to get hit by the enemy. If you only use Accomplice after your party member has been hit several times, it's probably too late because you won't be stealing much enmity.

NIN/WAR can only tank because of the enmity generated by Provoke. Their DoT while meleeing is very comparable to that of a Thief and much lower than most other DD. Generally, their enmity is only slightly greater than that of other party members. (This is why it's very easy to pull hate when you have a NIN tank.) If you were to Accomplice a NIN tank, it's entirely possible that the Thief will not have enough enmity to overcome that of the other DD or healers in the party. Using Trick Attack on the NIN may also not give back as much as you stole away. In effect, Accomplice could throw the delicate balance of enmity into complete disarray and get the whole party killed. For that reason, I would generally not recommend using Accomplice on a NIN tank.

I have used this ability in several situations which I would like to describe to shed some more light.

As 75 THF/NIN duoing with a 75 WAR/NIN, the WAR was obviously generating much more enmity especially when he decided to use Provoke for some strange reason. While standing on opposite sides, I could commonly hold hate for a large part of a fight by having the WAR go slow and not spam weapon skills, and I Sneak Attack and weapon skill if I lost hate. If the Warrior pulled hate and then I tried to get it back by using Accomplice, the WAR commonly got it back on their very next swing.

I have also used Accomplice while attempting to fight an NM by dual THF tanking it. At one point, things got a little scary and the WHM was out of MP so he used Benediction. I immediately used Accomplice and it worked like a charm, but the WHM did get hit once or twice first. If the WHM had any MP left and had immediately Cure IVed themselves, I'm pretty sure they would've died like normal.

I was merit partying against Greater Colibris, and was extremely fortunate to have both a BRD and RDM in party. The BRD was pulling, but at one point we got a link and a pop and both BRD and RDM were franticly trying to sleep all three (the pull the pop and the link). In desperation the BRD tried a Horde Lullaby only to have it mimiced and put the entire party to sleep. I was woken up either by a cure or naturally and the RDM had pulled hate by trying to sleep one of the Colibri. I Accompliced them, but rather than me pulling hate, it seemed to immediately go after the BRD. It killed them and turned back on the RDM who had cured themselves. Somehow the party was able to kill off one bird, but then most of the party died. The MNK and I were left duoing about 40% on the second bird. For one reason or another, the third one depopped about this point. (I may have used Hide around this point.) I had hate, and luckily the MNK refrained from using Asuran Fists so I was able to hold it. In the end, we killed two birds but four of our party members were dead, the MNK was at about 400 HP, and I was completely unharmed.

--Claquesous 18:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)