User talk:Charitwo/Archive8

To Do
Not sure we're "live" yet and these edits will stick. Also I can't seem to edit the sitenotice now. Not sure why. -- 21:49, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

AH
Might be just the job queue is massive due to a change in that template. -- 12:17, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

When a template that governs categories is changed, the individual articles won't switch over to the new category until they have been edited (it doesn't matter what's changed, so long as the article is updated). It has something to do with the way categorization works. Just another pain of moving categories. ~ Karuberu 12:21, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Names
cool thanks, the message now popped up at the top mentioning it (it wasn't there before i asked the question). I figured it was probably a universal database then. -- 19:32, 19 September 2007 (EDT)


 * I got some other weird thing, the "new message" notification was messed up, since I already viewed my talk page it won't come up now but if you get a weird new message notification you should probably report that too. -- 19:34, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Heh another error: It seems all the moved user pages have an extra FFXI- in front of it, so people are creating new user pages when the old one is still in tact. For example User:FFXI-Socrates created a new userpage but the original page was saved at User:FFXI-FFXI-Socrates. For that one can you delete the new page then move the old one to preserve history? Keep an eye out for some of those too if you can. Same goes for Techno's and Mierin's page as previously mentioned go ahead and move theirs and any others you may come across removing the extra FFXI- and see if Wikia admin can fix that too. -- 19:40, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Ok I put a notice about it on FFXIclopedia:Move for now so hopefully everyone will notice that. Make sure the notice is removed when they are able to fix it. -- 19:52, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

KB
Take a look at Image:User-Resheph.JPG and tell me if you see the KB under the pic. I don't. -- 21:03, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I did notice that the aforementioned image has a "view at higher resolution" thinger on it. So perhaps it only affects hi-res pics? Either way it was a pain to see. Either way, the addition to the image policy is in hovertext (ht) so it's relatively unobtrusive. -- 21:15, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

/hurray
I as finally able to get the page that allowed me to email myself a new password so I could log in. So /hurray. Now for the name change. Thanks for your help dearie-poo. :D AND OMG Guess what? I have the edit toolbar again :D :D :D -- 22:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD Defcon
Okay, maybe I'm three weeks late, but that is absolutely hysterical!! :) Nice work! -- 13:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)



What to do?
Anything specific you know that needs to be fixed since the move to wikia (besides the video code)? Or anything in general you know that needs to be worked on? -- 16:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hand-to-hand
Probably the - make the phrase into a single word. So looking for "GerHandenFaust" wouldn't be found if it were all in lowercase. Apparently it only looks at the first letter of the word when ignoring case sensitivity. -- 13:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

iMac...?
I tried to fix the Sunburst youtube link, then once you changed it back, I realized that since i'm not on my home computer, but in Nevada on vacation, and on my father's iMac, perhaps it's this computer that displays the youtube link as only text and no video? I'm completely unfamiliar with macintosh computers, so I assumed it was an actual incorrect link. I miss my computer. ; ; --Bhujerba 22:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Changed usernames
Could you keep an eye on FFXIclopedia:Move/Renaming users and move userpages and user talk pages when they are moved? I am not for sure if TOR was moving the userpages too. -- 23:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Etiquette
I'm asking you because you seem to be the most readily accessible knowledgable user on at the moment, so here's my situation. I've got a retired character, and a new character. Should I have created a new username for August? Or should I have created his page under Bhujerba? I'm not sure which. If it's the latter, i'll request deletion for the extra username. --Bhujerba 16:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Lost image
Image:Pankration-Userbox.jpg do you have the original you uploaded? It seems to be missing from the move and is breaking some userbox templates. -- 20:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Kam'lanaut Image
Your own resolution was to put an image replace tag on the picture for this article so why are you reverting it?

Images lost in transition to wikia
So who should i talk to about having the images lost restored?-Heretic mkII@ffxi 04:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like they all got restored now however a weird issue... If they were first upload they showed up fine now but if they were replacements it will still show the old image even after purging, but if you click the newly uploaded link the new picture will pull up. So that is what I did, pulled up the new images and reuploaded them and repurged.  -- 23:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

contacting charitwo
i got some sort of warning about linking naughty content, i'm assuming y'all was refering to my cooking guide. nothing naughty about it, it's name is mostly a joke. t'ain't nothing sexy about leveling cooking, but hey, i thought it was funny. if you can point me to the right templates, i'll be converting the guide this weekend, if i got the time.

o hi
Don't forget to cast your vote on the featured wikia voting list ;) -- 23:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Job queue
Yea sorry about that I thought I had the code right but it wasn't. But Template:Sandbox and User:Wayka/Sandbox it is working now. Was trying to make the use of the word "Summoning" to point to Category:Summoning Magic instead. I think I figured it out now. This is for spells such as Air Spirit. -- 02:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok lets see if you can figure this one out :) On Category:Summoning it still has the 8 spirits listed there but on all of those spirit pages the category is not listed on them.  Is there something that is still causing them to show up on that page that you can figure out?  Check my sandboxes code and Template:AH and see what you can come up with.  -- 22:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Civil?
@ Charitwo I read a lot of your comments by now, and i finally can not help but ask you the read the part on "beeing civil" again. I might be just a user / contribitor, but your distinct flavor of beating down other opinions is not really encouraging. --Gisselle 20:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

AIM
I'm usually only on in spurts so I may not be logged into AIM that much anymore except in certain cases. -- 02:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Royal Grape
The problem was caused by a missing quotation mark ( instead of  ), not because of the missing  s. Nice try though. :P ~ Karuberu 05:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism reports
That looks good. One suggestion, some way to have it so an admin can mark it as "completed"? Maybe using the X and check images, add a fifth column on the template, so undone would be and done could be edited by admin to something like  or something like that depending on how the code will work out. -- 22:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Talkpagetext
I don't see it. -- 22:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see it on talk pages but not user talk pages maybe. -- 22:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems fixed now. -- 23:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Image quality
I will leave it at "Poor image quality" in the future. Leuqarte 23:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

converting html tables to wiki format
subject says it all, i need a tutor/guide on converting tables into wiki.

also i make use of style sheets to control font formatting, any tips there?

Pc1971 14:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ravin Raven
The discussion was closed when I said it was not a copyright violation. There is no need to respond to them. -- 04:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you're deleting the image, delete the "source" stuff.  We only "source" guides and the like.  Not facts about the game.  -- 05:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That was a slightly inaccurate statement by Chris. We source guides.  We source them for copyright reasons.  This is the facts about the pop conditions for a NM.  If we were to source everything in this game, it would get out of control.  Sources like this one used to be in the wiki for alla and the like, but were since removed because it was determined that they were superfluous.  They remained only to credit original, creative work.  Not facts.  -- 05:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

"Move/Rename User" edit
Re: FFXIclopedia:Move/Renaming users. Why did you remove my edit entirely? When Sigma was moved to Eithin, the move was screwed up (and took my contribution history). I was drawing attention to the fact that move was not done correctly. If my wording was wrong, certainly "confirmed" is not the right description of the situation, either. Should I edit that to be confirmed to have been done WRONG instead? --FFXI-Itazura 11:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've already saw that the contributions for myself seem to have been fixed. Normally, I'd thank someone for the restoration, but in this brave new world of Wikia, it's difficult to figure out who fixed (or broke) stuff. (I suppose I should just assume it's that taciturn TOR's work.) Instead, I'll just thank you for sending me a notice. --FFXI-Itazura

GM only key items
Hehe thanks I understand why now I didn't notice he posted his reasoning. :) -- 01:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox
That's fine. I mainly just wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause further problems and was hoping he'd be up to fixing the problem himself (tedious changes aren't fun, after all). ~ Karuberu 01:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I usually do. The recent changes were based on discussion. And please don't start complaining about job queue; that can get really annoying. ~ Karuberu 23:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh, alright. ~ Karuberu 00:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I just have to have something to do when I can't contribute anything good. But thank you :) -- 11:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ammo Changes
I noticed, that after that summer update where they made changes to a couple of the ammo pieces, various editors made notes on the item pages that they could not be actually thrown. Yet, you deleted each and every one of them. Why? I think that is very useful info. In fact, I was checking one particular item and it said it no where on the page and I paniced because I don't want to accidentally throw it. Then I checked the editing history and see someone put it in (twice in fact), and you removed it each time. Before I go putting all those notes back in, I wanted to discuss it with you to figure out your reasoning for removing it in the first place. -- 14:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, there are DPS and TP/Hit stuff in same section. How is this different?  I mean, yes, for those who know that the lack of the "Throwing" lable means it can't be thrown, but why not put a note either there or somewhere else on the page that specifically says that the Ammo can't be thrown?  -- 23:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Additional Effect: Element damage
I remember us coming across this inconsistency in formatting earlier, and figured we might talk about which format looks better. I'm leaning now more towards what I think was your view of it; coloring the entire "XXX damage" phrase in the appropriate elemental color. What do you think? -- 21:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I think my only concern would be on items that have multiple additional effects, like "Wind damage with wind fan equipped". Perhaps just the "wind damage" part should be colored. -- 21:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

My only problem with the Flame Degen example is that it links to "Fire Damage", which is an unexpanded article (pretty much a one-liner). Also, there aren't corresponding pages for "Wind Damage", "Darkness Damage", et al. The coloring would seem okay to me, but the link might be a bit too much, or would need to be rethought (link to just "Fire" perhaps?) -- 23:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned talks
As requested: User:Charitwo/Orphans

Have fun. That's a lot of potential deletions. :) TOR 19:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Templates
Is there a list of the guidelines as to what is acceptable or not for the templates, or does it just come down to a judgment call? If there is a list, could you point me to it, as I don't seem to be able to find it. thanks --Cieria 15:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Treasure Hunter
Hi Charitwo!

There are two issues in the "Treasure Hunter" document that I changed and you reverted. Well... sort of changed. I just added a blurb about needing citations and straightened the text a little, but I digress. I wanted to touch base with you on those. You make 2 statments in your document: 1) "This has been revealed in many interviews with SE representatives." and 2) "Tests show that Treasure Hunter will not take effect if the Thief is out of Experience Points range".

I agree with the first whole heartidly--I've read that interview with Sage Sundi, but since there is so much disagreement about the statement, you need to substantiate it by citing the interview. I've searched for it for you to cite, but this is the closest I can find:

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=4&cId=3148759

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/lite/t-53859.html (Look for Vinen's post on 3/13/06 around 6:52AM)

As for the second quote, I cannot find proof of this anywhere. It is unsubstantiated completely from what I can tell. I can't find any data from the tests you mention and I certainly cannot find anything from the Dev's on this. It would be great if you could post something that goes along with that.

I'm not trying to flame you or start a ego contest, I just feel that, as of right now, FFXIclopia.org has the more accurate information as far as FFXI sites on the internet and I think it would be of great value to us as a community to have the most accurate information possible. We can easily put to rest the conflict over these and other points of conflict if we show the sources of our material on FFXIclopedia.org. Anyway, thanks for your time. Have a good day!

Anubie 16:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC) Anubie from Diabolos


 * Hi again. I got your response, that was pretty quick! I am aware you are not Wikipedia, but I really think in cases where there are giant, long-standing points of conflict it would be to our benefit as a community to post citations of where the information displayed originated from. Also, like I said in the previous note--I didn't change the intent of the document and I'm truly sorry if I made you feel as if I had. I am not certain why you would need to talk about citing a source on the talk page, but if you can point me in the direction of where you would like me to post it in a discussion list, I would be more than happy to do so. My point isn't to start a conflict, but rather, attempt to calm some. Thanks again Charitwo!

Anubie 16:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC) Anubie from Diabolos


 * Thanks a bunch Charitwo. I'll see what I can come up with. Sorry if I caused you any grief!

Anubie 16:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC) Anubie from Diabolos

Name highlights
I have no problem with the green, only the bold. It not only bolds the user names, but their user pages as well (and the "diff" and "hist" links for those pages). I think the bold makes too much of a statement ("we are the admins"), when admins aren't really that important on this community-based site. Italics would be a little better, but since the comments are in italics, it might look odd. ~ Karuberu 23:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't part of, or aware of, said discussion, so I'm giving my 2 cents now. The concept is fine, the color is fine, but the bold is too much. I knew you would be steadfast and unable to work with, that's why I left a message for Gahoo and not you. ~ Karuberu 23:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't like the bold. You can always change yours to bold ;p -- 04:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

TOC
Ok, I give up. What's the purpose behind the ugly TOC boxes? ~ Karuberu 04:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the TOC does not normally have a black border or overlap text in the article like the one Gahoo is using does. I had a right-aligned version which worked, but Gahoo changed it for whatever reason. I figured it was because the right align or table messed thinsg up on other skins, so I went with the default TOC. It's better to have text shoved down than to have the page look ugly and broken. ~ Karuberu 04:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It's definately overlapping for me; any time "float" is used, I get overlap. You probably don't see it because you're running at a lower resolution and the two breaks at the end of "Obtaining the Signal Pearl" compensate for the TOC's length. Remove them and you'll probably get some overlap. ~ Karuberu 04:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Though it would be nice to use the standard TOC, if we can't find something that works well for everyone, then we need something different. ~ Karuberu 04:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

O.o sup2u2
Hi, can I help you? o.O --Friedchocobo 03:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, well thanks. Guess it helps me figure out how to do this stuff since I only recently decided to play with user and talk pages. >.> If I'm doing it right. Maybe. --Friedchocobo 04:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ^^ I have, but just checking out some little things. :D Thanks! My page is no longer a blank space, hooray! --Friedchocobo 04:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)