FFXIclopedia talk:File Policy/Archive 1

NEW! User Pictures NEW! Question
Does this mean older uses who already have a picture (like myself and many others) have to go back and edit everything? --Drow 20:36, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Sort of. I am editing anything that is under 30 myself and deleting everything else. So if you have over 30 and you have no copy of it you better go fetch it seeing as I will prolly soon delete it. But if it is under 30 I will rename it myself so it will follow the standards. --Nynaeve 20:41, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I always have a back-up D: Ok will spread the word. --Drow 21:42, 2 November 2006 (EST)

... I HIGHLY disagree with this decision. Almost to the point of absurdity. I'm currently angered to the point where I can't think of anywords to combat this... --Edamus 22:50, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I had to fight for one Picture and it was a lengthy Process, but I agree with this final decision. It really is better than no User Pictures which was the other choice. Use your Blog to display your other Images. This is not a Personal Gallery and you are actually really lucky to be allowed one at all considering. There were many reasons behind this decision and this new Policy and the sizing/naming conventions are practical and good move.
 * EDIT: And I edited out the tags from any User Pages that had Pictures that weren't kosher with this Policy because I do not want Red Links that may be clicked and reused. Also, I used space on my own drive and took my own time out to keep Images that had the correct sizing by saving them and reuploading them under the correct name pattern. I gave an explanation of it on each User Talk Page in which I had a deletion I had to make. Yes it is your User Page, but this is our Webpage, we are Admins. If you want to further discuss this you can talk here or PM Ganiman who wanted to have no Images or me who fought to keep at least one. But in all honestly I think you are acting Childish. We do not want to lose an Editor over an image but if you chose to act this way, that is your choice. --Nynaeve 23:06, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Perhaps if the vote was able to be heard by the common editors. In all honesty the way I went about this was indeed childish. But I believe my fight for what I believe is right is not childish. I do indeed thank you for you fight for the images. You personal time is appreciated. I just wish there was another way of going about and doing it.

What are these many reasons? Who ruined it for everone else? Was it me? I had 6 or so images. Before hand in the cleansing of the images round 1 I was fine with deleteing some of my original images that had nothing to do with XI since I was using them in my blog as backgrounds and what not. I was told before hand that they would be deleted, and I was fine with that. I just think the time I put into my Userpage was for nought. Although I am allowed that one image, it's not the same. Everyone here has edited a page or two or thousand and knows of the difficulty in editing, getting it just right. I spent a lot of time on that page.

All this makes no difference, the decision has been made. Go with it. Ride it out. I was 10 minutes too late. It's just too bad I wasn't in that fight for them. They'd still be there now if I was...

You wont lose an editor to this. I just want my voice to be heard, but not heard after the fact. Important decisions should be left to the people. Although people are dumb and ignorant, it is still a decision they made and agreed upon by a majority. --Edamus 00:03, 3 November 2006 (EST)
 * I'd like to know when you thought this site's administration became a democracy. I'd like to know who you think pays the bills around here, or who does all the behind the scenes work to ensure this site keeps running.  You're lucky that I even consider the opinions of the users.  You missed out on the discussion.  We had it.  It was open to anyone paying attention.  You missed it, you're fault, not ours.  Don't cry to us about dictatorships and how "the people" have no say.  If you want to be more involved, then I suggest you read every policy on this site, you keep a close watch on all topics that happen in the forums, and you participate in each and every article's discussion page.  If you read the image policy, which I kindly linked to at the top of every page in the wiki some time ago, you would have seen that right in the General Rules to Follow section it clearly states "This is not a place for a personal gallery."  That has been in the policy since August 2nd.  You have had at least since then to debate this topic.  It is not my or any other admins responsibility to notify any user of this site when such topics are being debated.  You sound like the guy who complains about who was elected for president, but never voted.  Guess what?  Election day is over, the ballets have been counted, and yours wasn't there. --Ganiman 22:16, 3 November 2006 (EST)

As I stated on the Forum, this was discussed there with the populous. It was just the wording of the purposed changes that was brought to the Moderator Forum. Some of them didnt want User Pictures to be allowed at all and I and many of the "Common User"s as you put it did. I purposed something, a way to keep the bandwith down, to stop users from uploading to many personal files then leaving and or linking back to here, a way that we can moderate User Pictures easily (the "User-" in front of it, as well as a Zero-Tolerance for anything that goes against this while still letting people keep what I think is a bit of individuality and themselves here. I did like your page and there were other pages that I really loved as well. I know the amount of effort it takes to edit and hone things to just a certain way... You have to believe me that I hated doing it - tearing pages that looked great apart... But it has to be done. This isnt a gallery and its about time we enfornced it. This is my project now, and I feel strongly that keeping one picture does mean something and it isnt that painful when you consider the majority of editors with pictures have had only one. We all just have to work around it and appreciate the fact that we can have one picture. I think its important to have that one peice of your character actually being shown here. I am glad we wont lose you over this, for this Policy will stay otherwise it would be back to having none at all and I dont want that. --Nynaeve 13:09, 3 November 2006 (EST)

EDIT: I thought I incorparted this in well enough, but what you said on your talk page made it seem that I didnt. All files have to be linked to the User they are named after, so only one per page. Period. No making extra Users to put their pictures on your original page. That won't work, I'm sorry. ;; --Nynaeve 13:10, 3 November 2006 (EST)

Nynaeve - 1. Please do not edit user pages directly. Place notices on User:talk pages so the User can edit it themselves. 2. Please do not speedy delete images that violate the policy. Mark them for deletion and have them go through the deletion process. Also put a note on the user talk page letting them know their picture is being marked for deletion so that they can resolve the issue themselves, either by reducing their own pic, or choosing which of the multitude pics they wish to keep.

Edamus - 1. Most of these issues have been on the table since late-July. They have only seen more intense discussion recently. 2. This is not a democracy. Every decision is not up for debate. Some issues need to be resolved by the administrators for what is best for the wiki itself, even if it tweaks the beaks of some users.

--Mierin 22:03, 3 November 2006 (EST)

As I said on your User Page Mierin: I did what I thought was right at the time. I had the choice of deleting all of the images or saving some and reuploading them under the correct Image Names. Since I would have to edit the User Pages to do this, I chose to edit them all out since I had already started reuploading some correctly for people. I was told by two people this is the way they would have gone about it as well. I thought it better to not leave the user page looking discentered with a broken link and I did put an explanation on every single User Talk Page that I did it to. Only one person complained and there were others who seemed to appreciate the gester. I won't do it again but I think as an administrator, you have the right to edit any page on the wiki. I know Gani or Gahoo have edited User Pages before to take out things that went against policy, so by saying you aren't to edit a user page that violates something seems a bit absurd when it has been done before. The user that complained was more upset his Pictures were taken away than the fact that someone edited his User Page and he is just throwing that out in bitterness. But in all seriousness, I won't do it again, I was just trying to help so that their pages wouldn't look like shit and broken links wouldn't happen. Its all done now, if you want to go reverting the changes that don't have the new uploaded pictures with them feel free. I don't care. I did what I said I was going to do and I think it was right.

EDIT: Also, part of the purposal was for a Speedy Deletion on anything not meeting the User Picture Standards. They are not part of the Image-Delete process. This had to get done quickly and the quickest way to do it was this way. If we let them sit there it would have been harder for the entire thing to take effect. I have already gone through all User Pages and deleted everything that didn't meet. We are not supposed to be used as a Personal Gallery and it has been stated before that those that use it as such will meet with a Speedy Deletion because it directly violates it. We can't do for some that we don't do for others. --Nynaeve 22:13, 3 November 2006 (EST)