Category talk:Bestiary

Empty Elements
Since this would apply to pretty much each Empty mob type, I figured it would be best to post it here. Each Empty monster page (each individual monster, not each individual monster type) should list what elements they can possibly be in each zone they are located in. I've heard various reports that any monster in the standard 3 Promyvions can be any of the 6 elements, and in Vahzl, they can be any of the 8 elements, though I only heard that in passing.

Also, I've heard conflicting reports for the monsters in the Spire (specifically the bosses, though I assume the same would apply to the ENMs), some saying their element varies depending on the day of the Vana'diel week, though they always have the same colored core, whatever color is the dominant color of the zone (except for Vahzl, then it is the dominant color of their original zone).

And what of the 6 NMs, the 3 in the lower Promyvions, and the 3 in Promyvion-Vahzl, do their elements vary, or are they constant. And if the elements for any of these do vary, but the model used (i.e. the elemental core) stays the same, that discrepancy should be noted. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 18:07, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

I can confirm that the elements of the 3 bosses in the Spire of Vahzl are ALWAYS the same element (not as each other). On 5 runs, 3 diffent Vana'days, they were always the same. When I go get another Tactics Pearl, I will put further study into this. But I'm pretty they can be all 8 elements in any of the 4 Promyvion areas. Perhaps people who do anything in Promyvion should report the following: A)What elements are in that Promyvion (Elements may vary by both family and area...so this could get tough). B)What element the bosses in the missions/ENMs are.

A) is pretty easy to study, so I'm more interested in people reporting the elements of the bosses. --Jopasopa 21:37, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

"Machine" system?
Does anyone else feel there might be a "machine" system which includes automatons, the new Alzadaal monsters, and maybe biotechnological weapons? --Jopasopa 17:44, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Lumorians
When SE revealed the way to enfeeble AV's regen they said "Ru'phuabos, Qn'xzomits, and Qn'hpemdes", implying that the plural form of Lumorians have s's at thend, such as aerns. Should the Lumorian pages be renamed to reflect so? --Jopasopa 23:15, 23 January 2007 (EST)

EDIT: Also, shouldn't it be Humanoids? --Jopasopa 23:16, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Notorious Monsters in Family Revamp?
Proposed revamp:

==Notorious Monsters in Family==

Looks good, though maybe regular NMs should have Standard: Lottery Spawn, Standard: Timer, Standard: Forced Pop next to them, just as BCNM, Quest, etc is next to others. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 13:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)


 * Agreed. Standard: Lottery Spawn, Standard: Timed Spawn, Standard: Forced Spawn. --Gahoo 13:13, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Different colors? --Gahoo 12:33, 17 February 2007 (EST)

The dull gold color does look nice, though since all the entries of monster: location: information on their individual pages are in standard monster blue or NM red (or garrison green, etc), I recommend keeping NMs red. However, keep this gold color in mind for another type of monster (Event only creatures?, though gray boxes may be better for those and defunct monsters). It is very nice on the eyes. Hmm, but then again, it is on the Category: monster family page. So, I'd recommend getting other people's opinions since I can go either way on the gold box. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 17:57, 17 February 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah the gold is growing on me. I would almost rather change the NM pages to the gold. --Gahoo 11:12, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * I like the gold color. Maybe it could be used on stuff like Dynamis/Limbus/Salvage/BCNM/ENM/ISNM mobs or maybe for HNMs? --Joped 13:29, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * Question: What about stuff like Poroggo Madames? There's a whole bunch, and I doubt they're each going to get their own page like the Ix'aerns (well, they might). Do we just put "Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants" as their spawn condition and "Varies"/"Various" as their notable drops? --Joped 12:40, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * I am not sure that BCNM mobs should even go here. I think maybe it should be limited to "normal" NMs.  I.e. no BCNM/KSNM/ISNM, no dynamis, no assault, no limbus, no salvage. --Gahoo 12:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * I'd agree with that. I think it's a bit redundant and for BC mobs, pointless. --Techno 14:08, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * So "Notorious Monsters in Family" will no longer list Mission/Quest/Assault/BCNM/ENM/ISNM/Dynamis/Limbus/Salvage NMs? What about Garrison/EF/Besieged? --Joped 14:58, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * No Garrison/EF/Besieged (except those that spawn on their own in theire respective zones) either. --Gahoo 15:02, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * What about quest NMs? I think they would fall under the same guidelines.  --Techno 16:23, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * How about - don't list them if they don't drop anything. So yes, spawned quest NMs which you kill just for killing, Sturmtiger for example, would not be listed, but something that you kill for an item for a quest, Nue for example, would be listed. --Gahoo 16:48, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * Or how about arranging them alphabetically in the table by type, so A-Z for Standard NMs, then A-Z for everything else or A-Z for BCNMs/ENMs/ISNMs, then A-Z for Dynamis, then Garrison/Exped. Force, etc? --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 17:55, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * I think this would be way way too long on many pages, especially beastmen categories. --Gahoo 17:58, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * Saw Chigoes page. What I really want to aviod are those Mission/EF/Assault/BCNM/ENM/ISNM/Dynamis/Limbus/Salvage mobs.  I would rather not see the Big Bird page taken up with Titanis Max, Titanis Xax, Titanis Jax and Titanis Dax or all of the assault mobs.  I don't see how that is helpful.  I guess I am ok with these quest mobs - but it's just a hard ilne to draw. --Gahoo 18:12, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * Maybe keep standard NMs in a table, then below do something like:

Quest NMs: Name 1, Name 2, Name 3

Mission NMs: Name 1, Name 2, etc

Battlefield NMs: Name 1 (ENM), Name 2 (BCNM), etc

Other NMs: Name 1 (Garrison), Name 2 (Expeditionary Force), Name 3 (Event NM)

That would differentiate between types and keep the table to "standard" NMs. BTW, looking at Uragnite page, I think fished up NMs should be counted as standard NMs. There are only a handful of Fished NMs. Asterisks should be placed next to certain Quest NMs, like the ones that remain up and aren't popped via "???"s (Korroloka Leech is one, I believe there are a few others). --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 18:46, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * I still disagree with any NMs other than any other than standard, just for fun NMs being in the table. If we make an exception for quest mobs then we may as well start making exceptions for missions, besieged, etc.  People aren't going to care about the other NMs anyway.  Users probably won't reach the NM articles via this route, rather by going through the mission/quest page.  The information won't really be incredibly valuable since it won't matter to 99% of the people that view it and it will detract from the ones they will really want to look at.  Draw the line where there's a definitive difference, with the standard NMs.  This needs to get resolved.  Eleri is going through adding all NMs to some categories and now I'm finding out that my work (which I thought had been cleared with the admins weeks ago) has been edited.  I was going to try to make some major progress on this during the update today, but now I feel I have to wait until the issue is settled.  I'm a little unhappy about it.  I thought we had this decided.  --Techno 11:18, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Sorry Techno - I agree with you though. The problem is that in some categories (Chigoes) listing only "normal" NMs seems ODD because there are none listed and of course there are chigoe NMs, while on others (Beastmen especially, but the above Big Bird example too) there would be too many to list everything. So a middle ground could be nice. Taking Crabs as an example:

Zoogelio's Recommendation in Practice (left align bottom)
I like the compromise solution a lot. (Not sure whether left or center align is better). --Gahoo 13:10, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Are all fished up monsters NMs or only some? I know there are some fished up monsters that are full NMs and the rest are just like regular monsters, but do those regular ones have the NM flag? The format looks good though. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 18:27, 7 March 2007 (EST)