User talk:Chrisjander

My Own Section!! Weee!!
Link to your School Calander year--Nynaeve 11:18, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

KILL THE BEE, KILL THE BEE Boys, Don't make me hurt you --Nynaeve 17:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Here is the link to the Wikipedia that summarizes what occurred in Chain of Memories: Chain of Memories

Okay: Carbuncle Mitts run set up for Thurs. Evening - sometime after 8 PM EST. Alk, Pite and I just got the Prelate Key. Exhausted - going to bed now. --Nynaeve 02:39, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Dont feel like logging on. Feel free to check my DB for me on Birg - just return anything that Birg sent herself to get to your mushrooms. --Nynaeve 23:52, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Let me know when you are @ school. Need to talk to you. --Nynaeve 21:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Other Areas
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Dynamis

 * Dynamis - Windurst
 * Dynamis - San d'Oria
 * Dynamis - Bastok
 * Dynamis - Jeuno
 * Dynamis - Beaucedine
 * Dynamis - Xarcabard
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Promyvion

 * Promyvion - Dem
 * Promyvion - Holla
 * Promyvion - Mea
 * Promyvion - Vahzl
 * Spire of Dem
 * Spire of Holla
 * Spire of Mea
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Limbus

 * Apollyon
 * Temenos
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Airships

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 * Airship, Jeuno - Kazham
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Ferries

 * Ferry - Mhaura/Selbina
 * Ferry - Mhaura/Al Zahbi
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 * Manaclipper
 * Phanauet Channel
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Miscellaneous Zones

 * Diorama - Ghelsba Outpost
 * Diorama - Purgonorgo Isle


 * Hall of Transference, Dem
 * Hall of Transference, Holla
 * Hall of Transference, Mea

(Unreleased)
 * Mordion Gaol
 * Chocobo Circuit
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You might want to check out. SE added a lot of pictures that might be usable for you in this project. --Gahoo 18:26, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Also Treasures of Aht Urhgan has pics for new areas. --Gahoo 23:31, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Also the official ToAU site has more pics if you like those more. --Gahoo 23:36, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

CoP Areas --Gahoo 23:33, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

BEB website They gave us permission to use their maps so I don't see why they'd oppose their screenshots as long as they receive credit. --Gahoo 18:04, 25 August 2006 (EDT)

Edit: I'm in BEB - Yobun definitely doesn't mind, and is glad you like the screenshots. --Tsakiki 09:37, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

I think I like the BEB ones better than the SE ones. What do you think? --Gahoo 10:20, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

I am going through them and looking but I basically like the size (i.e. rectangular) of BEB better than the square SE images. It looks better in our layout. --Gahoo 11:13, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

I think this project is done now. Sorry to take it over but it looked so good and the BEB pics fit so nicely. --Gahoo 11:22, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

JRSysop
I have created a new group in the wiki. Something to... experiment with. Gahoo and I thought you'd be a good trial user. You will notice you now have a little more wiki power. You are able to delete, rollback, view deletion histories, move pages, protect pages and patrol pages. Fish around for these options. I trust you won't cause mass destruction here. You've put an exceptional amount of work into FFXIclopedia and we thought you could help us with a little bit of this stuff. If you have questions, drop me a message on my talk page or in the forums. I check them often. This is just a test run for now, so I may take away these abilities. But.. this should allow you to play a more active roll in maintaining pages marked for deletion and updating protected pages. Maybe we can make a userbox for this role XD --Ganiman 19:08, 31 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Just try to monitor the AfD, and the daily stuff. Like if someone screws up a page, you can use the roll back function rather than going in to edit the page.  This is new, we'll come up with some stuff.  We'll probably create a space on the forums for this too.  I'm slow sometimes, but I'll work with Gahoo and Mierin and come up with some guidelines. --Ganiman 09:51, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Haha I see that delete. It seems the changes I have made to your wiki account are working :3 --Ganiman 10:08, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * A handy page for admins: Special:Newpages --Ganiman 11:44, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * 
 * FTW! Just noticed you check the Strongbad emails too! --Ganiman 12:21, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the info on how this works, I really didn't mean to cause a problem. --Aesar 14:25, 10 August 2006 (EDT) No, I didn't meant to create that template. I was looking for Userbox code on Goldsmithing for my User Page. Please remove it. --Aesar 14:30, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Picture Problem
It's not the computer or the system or browser, i guess its the upload delay or timestamp of the picture. Im working at currently 3 diffrent places with IE or Opera and what i can say is when, i edit a topic and include a fresh uploaded picture ( sometimes i type, sometimes i copy paste code), it doesnt work with 50%  chance. When i wait an hour after i uploaded the picture, it seems to work 100%. Aka, there must be a bug in the page history or version update. Refreshing or a new preview - even after 30 min wait - doesnt help-, even copy pasting the htmlcode and open a new window doesnt help. Problem is somewhere deep into the code of the wikiserver.

The search machine is also buggish: e.g. when i type an exact phrase like Ballista i instantly get to the Ballista site instead of search results - i never could reach Ballista Instawarp without writing it exactly down. When i type Ballist the search failed, but weird phrases like insta-c could be found as insta-cast. There are other examples for weird search results i got and where the machine badly failed.--Golandra 19:45, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Deleting images
I wanted to have a discussion which one to delete. They both looked fine to me and I didn't know why it needed to be replaced. People are going to start uploading their own images and replace everything. --Pinkfae 14:45, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Picture prob comps
Windows Xp prof sp2, explorer 6,0, latest upgrades Windows home: Opera and firefox latest upgrades Windows server 2000 advanced, opera diffrent versions (university comps)

So the prob is difficult to localize. But what i can say: opera and Netscape platforms dont work very good, copy - paste fails relative often.--Golandra 19:02, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

about moving
I can't find the "move" option that you talked about. that's why i did what i did. is it an administrative only ability perhaps? Ferine 14:00, 13 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Yes, it is, ever since the last update. --Pinkfae 14:01, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

randomness
I was just looking at the arcane flowerpot recipe page, and couldn't help but laugh that you named the picture of the pot in a mog a candid. :) --Ichthyos 14:11, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

I just found it funny that it was called a candid. I imagined a taru sneaking up behind the flowerpot and snapping a photo and then running. =X --Ichthyos 10:47, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

Show Preview
WOOOOT My Template works!!!

Show/Hide
I think you don't understand what I mean when I say that it has to be reasonable. I mean it has to be reasonable to make a change, but so far there hasn't been any reasonable argument made to change it. In fact, there has only been one person to claim there is a problem. I can't understand why it has to be changed at this point when there hasn't been any rational reason to make the change. We havne't discussed the problem (or lack there of) yet, but we are trying to find a solution to a problem that hasn't been identified. Doing this will just cause more problems rather then solve them. --Pinkfae 11:39, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Hmmm... I'm nosey... What is this refering to... ?? --Nynaeve 11:48, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

On Gardening
Im glad to help, it was just what happened during my first venture in gardening XD (Im trying again, same pot and seed, but with Drak Crystel feed, ill see what happens)

One thing we may want to do is check the feed/pot things, because im fairly certain some of the info listed on one list, is sometimes lacking on the other one.

When I checked my Moghancements, They were the only items I had in my moghouse. The ones from Bastok definately make Fishing (I had to buy 2 workbenches to counter this), and the Porcelain one definately makes Gardening (This was my Moghancement for a long time till I placed a bed in my MogHouse for the EXP moghancement). On another note, my next piece of garening yeilded someting already listed.

Well, I discovered im probably gonna bankrupt myself on some really bad choices for gardening. I expect a whole lot of Darksteel Nuggets or Light Crystels any day now. On the plus side, Noone has ever done Tree Cuttings + Dark + Earth apparently, so ill have two of those to add to the listing.

Kinda wish I had realized chocobo raisings implications for gardening.... or I could just jump on the bandwagon of Gardeners milking profits. Although the scale of ripoff is seriously evil, I do need the gil myself too. Oh well, im too prideful to abort my tree cuttings now, especially with only... 3 or 4 days till harvest?

Hauberk Plus1
Sweetie - Hauberk Plus1 should be moved to Hauberk Plus 1. Squishie Squishie O.o' I am too lazy to put the move thinger on it cuz its just a mistype thing. --Nynaeve 13:47, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Monster notes
I noticed today that all the old templates for monsters out there don't have the complete new template (with detect ws and detect JA) i started updateing some of the NM's then i thought. is it necisary? if it is... that's ALOT of work to update every monster/NM in this list. is there an easier way then just going and editing every one and replacing the notes with

currently in the new monster template it has the detect JA and detect WS and he has it linked to the. but the old template didn't have the. it just had A (agro) S (detect sound) exct. written into the actuall template. so the old ones aren't updated by the change to the. so to change it so they all match. somone will have to go into all the old monsters/NM and erase the A(agro) S(detect sound) exct. and replace it with. i did it with a few but man that's alot of work! Ferine 19:19, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

hrm somehow i feel like i volentered to do this... DOH!!! :P Ferine 19:33, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Format Stubs
You leaving those for me? :P I should just give you my Perl script. --Enfield 00:42, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Contributions
FFXIclopedia talk:Userboxes/FFXIclopedia
 * Thoughts? --Gahoo 10:09, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

New Users
Thank you for all the information and help, it was very helpful. I have another question, Do you have a page that has a list of abbreviations that you use to talk to other people? Thank you very much for your help. Frcky3 8:18 a.m. MT October 8, 2006

Found the Gusgen Mines, there were 3 ??? there, at (D-7), but it wouldn't let me go in. When I try to get in, it is dark and I hit a wall. Why would that be? Frcky3 3:34 p.m. October 7, 2006

Thank you for the information. I have also been having trouble finding the opening to the Gusgen Mines, any suggestions? Frcky3 2:20 p.m. October 7, 2006

Check with Gani about a a way to use avengerbot - I kind of doubt it but he is the programmer among us. --Gahoo 09:34, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

You've made a new enemy. Congratulations --Kacil 04:08, 25 August 2006 (EDT)

I have you to thank. Two friends and I are completely owning WoF as DRG/WHM x3. I actually felt sorry for the BST|WHM|something group that died three times in there, while we breezed through our fights in under 6 minutes. --Tengokujin 15:35, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Key Item Template
Catas was asking me about a Key Item Template - I dont think we have one already but I think there was a certain way we did Key Item Pages... Do you want to help him out on this one since you are the one who pretty much left it out of your Item Template Guide =P --Nynaeve 09:46, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Category talk:Missions
Thoughts? --Gahoo 11:18, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Choco guide
Am i being to nerotic or what but. i keep taking the "glitch" about choco raising off hte main page. it's on the rest page itself. i want to try to keep the main page with only information needed about the cycle of raising. but people keep puting the glitch on there. could use your advice on this kinda stuff. Ferine 19:16, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

I'M BACK!!!
My internet is now up and running, so I'm back! --Chrisjander 08:08, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

Hello from your fellow gardener
Well, from my server, it appears the price gouging on Chocobo related items has finally ended. (Of course, this was immediately after I harvested my first crop of Toko and Sharug greens, and a complete failure of my efforts to make Dark ore that resulted in around a 500k loss XD Oh well). I think it will stay a reliable method of minor profit though for gardeners, right now its a cost of 10k and 4 days of care to get about ~150k from greens. I think it opens an intresting venue if nothing else.

Oh well, I like gardening, and ill keep up my efforts as soon as I get some startup money from my hopeful yields of Parasite/Cupid worms on my 2nd mule XD. Maybe when I finally get my choco lisence, ill raise a chocobo myself.

~Andres

Category talk:Armor Sets
Someone is suggesting a change to Category talk:Armor Sets... You should post your opinion... --Nynaeve 09:01, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

Can someone take a look at User:Laggy and his contributions, he's done some defacing and really really "special" changes to talk pages. --Aelis 14:08, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Allakhazam
I hate the RMTs about as much as the next guy, but I think you're going overboard with your crusade aganist Allakhazam. For one thing, I think you have the history backwards: Alla was not pro-RMT, he was always anti-RMT, which was why the sale came as a surprise. Yes, Allakhazam is now owned by the parent company of IGE. But I haven't noticed any change in policies there since the acquisition; for example, there's still the sticky in the main forum telling people not to do RMT stuff on Allakhazam. If the business connection is too much of an association with RMT for you personally to have anything to do with them, I can understand and respect that, but I really think that reverting my edits without comment is going too far, since there's no stated policy against such links.

Forming policy in private and enforcing it without ever announcing it seems anathema to the spirit of wikis. Shouldn't everyone have the opportunity to participate in the discussion?

I'm also disappointed by Nynaeve's comment about "competitors." I expected people here to be more interested in sharing information than guarding their turf like rival intelligence agencies. Wikis are about freedom; people will and do come here because the open nature of the wiki leads to faster improvements than, say, a site like Allakhazam where item pages have to be added by an administrator and so lag behind. We don't need to pretend other sites have no useful information in order to succeed. --Valyana 03:31, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Something for you to Try
Hi Chris. I've finally went and put my Perl script I use to format item pages online. You can find it here. To use it, copy the information from an item page at Somepage starting with the item name all the way to the bottom of the page. Be sure not to copy the item picture, navigation, or ad sidebars. Then just paste it into the text box and hit submit. It should output the information formatted for the wiki. It's pretty simplistic right now, but I can make it look better later. It should work fine for all browsers, but IE6 on WinXP might make you save the file instead of displaying it in the browser. Let me know what you think. --Enfield 13:32, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Um. This is the coolest thing ever. --Gahoo 15:57, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for your comments (you too Nynaeve)! As I mentioned to Gahoo, there are some limitations to the parser right now, especially with item effects. Since they're just displayed as a list on Somepage, the parser doesn't know how to format the effects into the page. It will do things like convert "Strength" to "STR" and wikify some of the links, but it leaves the final formatting to be done by the user. The real power of it is it'll automatically create some of the more complicated table formatting (try it with pages like Wild Onion and Black Ink). I'm going to spend the next few days improving the interface. I also know in IE6 SP2, it'll ask you to save a file instead of displaying it in the browser, which is more of a bug in IE than anything else... --Enfield 10:34, 19 September 2006 (EDT)
 * The new interface is up and running. It should fix the IE6 "bug" too.  Looks like Gahoo's making good use of it.  Try it out if you have a chance.  Next thing I'll probably do is create a subpage on my user page for people to leave comments. --Enfield 17:18, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Re: Talk: Summoner
Sorry about that tiny insult, but I would like to point out Nynaeve has been every bit as harsh and insulting as I have. Say what you want, at least be fair. Thank you. Matjlav 15:22, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Please do not delete comments on talk pages
Hi there! When you added your comment to the Ramuh talk page you deleted my comment when you did. Please do not do this!!! Toksyuryel 07:07, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

Updated, Moved and Formatted my New Users Page
What do you think?? User:Nynaeve/Guide for New Members --Nynaeve 23:35, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

Finally caved and made it a Guide Seperate from my User Talk Page... was getting tired of scrolling down lol... --Nynaeve 23:39, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

Redirects
Search results From FFXIclopedia

You searched for Jailer Of Love Jump to: navigation, search

There is no page titled "Jailer Of Love". You can create this page.

For more information about searching FFXIclopedia, see Searching FFXIclopedia. KyleP 20:25, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

The point is that the "Go" button doesn't work, why else would I make redirects???

Then why does the "Go" button exist? Why not default to "Search"?

Where are you getting "spelling" from "capitalization"?

Image Tag
Okay, just wanted to be sure; thanks for the confirmation ^^. KyleP 21:21, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

Policies
Your comment on another user's page:

Mainly only if they're confused about how to start editing, there are a number of good links there, and we just throw in the policies so they're there. I'm sure most don't even glance at them. --Chrisjander 21:01, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

got me curious:
 * FFXIclopedia:Image policy - This page has been accessed 594 times.
 * FFXIclopedia:Copyrights - This page has been accessed 577 times
 * FFXIclopedia:Guide to deletion - This page has been accessed 344 times
 * FFXIclopedia:General disclaimer - This page has been accessed 2,268 times

Could be worse. --Gahoo 11:04, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Strategy Pages
I actually went looking for one you'd already done so I could mimic it. I figured Wings of Fury was a good place to look, and I was right. :-) --Tsakiki 12:06, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Thank You
Ah, yes, I completely forgot about Fishing when I posted that information on the Crafting page.--Davian 13:04, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

line breaks on items descriptions
I hate these. Is there any real reason why they're necessary? I know it conforms to the image, but the image has space issues. Anyway - I just don't see the point and think it looks funny in our space. --Gahoo 12:01, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Don't need a discussion. I don't care enough - as I said above, just think it looks funny. Carry on.  :) --Gahoo 13:56, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I hope you will forgive me for not putting them in though. --Gahoo 14:09, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

Beast-made
Agreed. I think category:Beast-made makes sense - with Beast-made changed to a redirect. --Gahoo 14:17, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

New image policy
hey, I changed the name of my user picture to User-Catas.jpg, but I'm not sure if the old one deleted cause I'm a tard and had to do it twice... just letting you know^^--Catas 13:27, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks Chris --Just Bri Thanks 21:16, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Re: Unused pic
Delete it, I don't want special treatment with that policy :P --Ganiman 17:08, 6 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks Coach Z! :D --Ganiman 21:03, 6 November 2006 (EST)

Helpzor
Couldn't find a page about this so figured I'd ask you. Is there an automatic way of counting the amount of contributions I've made other than going through the whole list counting them one-by-one? --Drow 06:09, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks ^^
I was about to ask gahoo if there was a category for stuff that shows up only in the DATS, LOL. I wasn't sure where to put it >< Still learning, sorry...--Poof 16:58, 18 November 2006 (EST)

Was gonna ask Gahoo...
But I can ask you. I got the stats of that item. There's no picture there because its never been photographed. Should I use the item template and fill this stuff in for it? Or would that probably be a waste of time since it may never be added.

Slot: Feet Def: 10 Vs. Fire: 12 Vs. Ice: 12 Vs. Water: -12 Jobs: Bard, Beastmaster, Dragoon, Monk, Paladin, Red Mage, Summoner, Thief, White Mage Races: ALL Level to Use: 54

--Poof 17:02, 18 November 2006 (EST)

That was fast...
>< --Poof 17:07, 18 November 2006 (EST)

Atlas
Thanks for the welcome. ^^ I'll let you know if I need help.

--User:Atlas 5:01 PM, 18 November 2006 (CST)

World Pass Request
Yeah, the idea behind the page is to cover what the requirements are to even need a worldpass (some people think they need a wp just for making extra characters for the same server). But on top of that it points to all the server forums and how to make a world pass request.

I added the thing to also post a request in the TALK page just in case someone felt they weren't getting a response from a server forum. I've noticed some server forums are kinda slow in terms of conversation >.>;; However, as I've now been trying out the forums, I think just by adding the note about the General Discussion Forum, its more likely someone would be able to utilize that since that forum tends to be pretty busy. (Like for someone that was looking to get on any server).

I know what you mean though, and I don't think the page will at all become some kinda central world pass request hub. I thought it would be an option rarely used, assuming its ever even used.

I also thought because of the WATCH feature, some users may actually be interested in facilitating worldpasses for their server (especially gold ones), and may like the idea.

However, its hard to judge how people use things until they use them. It's hard to guess how to best help someone. I was going to wait a few weeks, see how the page is used, and edit from there.

Besides, if I set the page up to declare specifically that world passes should only be requested in forums, I think people that didn't get a response in the forum would still use the TALK page.

Anywho, through recent experiences, it seems I'll be adjusting this page to more specifically point to the forums. I'll work on the update soon ^^

--Poof 01:24, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Monuments
Thanks. I will continue to add more of the monuments as i finish the quests. I'm kinda busy at the moment tho, so if you could keep adding the maps and links to An Explorer's Footsteps as i go that would be great. -Heretic@ffxi. 13/1/07

Thanks
Thanks for that bro. I appreciate it. --Greix 10:13, 7 December 2006 (EST)

I do not get it
Ok, so the wiki is growing. You have tons of uncategorized stuff. You have tons of stubs. A lot of pages became too big. So i started on clean up work, and not tending to my own guides alone any more. Next thing that happens is that a stub / dummy page of mine where i thought i would create the page already and fill in the guide later (which is partially written in a text editor already) at some later point gets nominated for deletion. I visit regularily, and before a page which was named "Bard guide by Gisselle" is nominated for deletion, which draws attention to that dummy page which was never intended, a note on my talk would have been nice. Next all categories which i started to clean things up are nominated for deletion. Why this fuss about some additional categories? Why in this way? I even asked in the discussion page on crafts for the redirect, Gahoo said "Agreed", i proceed and next thing is a rollback - by Nynaeve btw, who also nominated that dummy page for deletion. By now i have the impression, that you want to keep the larger organisation stuff to yourselves. That is why i said i will stop working on cleanup issues and asked to notify me on my talk when you resolved that stuff. For now i will tend to my guides, but do nothing else. And i really do not see, why so much fuss is made about some additional categories and some clean up. Everything is still there, i was just trying to make it more presentable. You guys are clearly not running the same policy, you need to straighten this out. And yes, i am not very happy to have invested time and work into cleanups, just to see the major parts rolled back without further notice. There is not even a note on the rollback on the discussion pages of either craft or category:crafting page. At the current state, i just will stop making any further contributions, because i do not like to invest my time and see a rollback without further notice. --Gisselle 10:02, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Ah and one more thing. My difficulties are with the way Nynaeve handles this. I turn to you to have a moderator on this stuff. --Gisselle 10:03, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Ok, so far so good. Just one more thing on past stuff: Dropping a note when putting up a user credited site for deletion on the talk page of the user, or making a comment on the talk page when doing such a rollback as with crafting would be nice. To see your work just disapearing is quite demotivating. Next is, that i still quite do not get it. Categories are the only organisation tool directly given by the wiki, why not use them? And of what use are oversized categories where noone sees the articles he or she seeks at a glance? But ok, lets move on.

Next part would be the plan. There are a lot of toppics on crafting, like when and how to craft, which crafts yield which profits, guides to leveling a craft. My thought was to bundle the terminology, guides and articles as well as the basic recipes and guild information into one category. Of course, at the first glance this category seems quite empty. But i most prominently looks that empty because crafting is still one of the sections this wiki is lacking a lot. Examples? We miss: Fishing guide, bonecraft guide, fishing spots, leathercraft guide, smithing guide. And that are only the big issues there. There is also a lot of knowledge not craft specific, like high quality result chances, directional synthing, and so on which are not really covered to satisfaction. So i think this category makes sense, and i do not see another tool given by the wiki to reach the same level of organisation.

Another plan is considering the guides section. We have a lot of job specific guides, several are more than one page long. Beastmaster was just the first i got on, alphabeth and number of entries are to blame ^^. Well, one could either bundle all stuff for one job in a category, and make the current job page the category page. Alternatively make a Category: jobs or jobguides and bundle everything on jobs there. Both leads to a clean up of the guides page, and makes stuff generally easier to access.

If you know a way to clean up overloaded categories other than creating subcategories, and a better way to achieve this level of organisation, i am really open for ideas.

--Gisselle 11:32, 12 December 2006 (EST)

SMN BP
Thanks for all the hard work on the blood pacts page.--Sparik 16:21, 14 December 2006 (EST)

SE Job Images
Yeah - from here - all but new jobs. They are not really transparent but I matched up the background. I think we should make the switch. Agree? --Gahoo 09:50, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Khimaira
Why did you get rid of Khimaira 13 from Category:Khimaira? There are 2 khimaira monsters, so the reason you said doesn't really count... --Jopasopa 18:31, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Darkness/Dark
Ah, I understand. Thanks for the help/tip/advice. ^^ --Jopasopa 13:10, 23 December 2006 (EST)

AF Pages
Fixed the coffers to the hands quests (thanks for pointing it out so it could be fixed). Doing what I can to help out here. =) --Ksayyah 17:03, 23 December 2006 (EST)

I'll be finishing the rest of them later on, if nobody gets to them first. Just the basic AF for the six basic jobs took long enough! --Ksayyah 17:27, 23 December 2006 (EST)

I've reset the AF quests on my RDM using Vingijard in order to re-get AF pieces, and I was able to get the my replacement AF body piece from the Castle Oztroja coffer without having to even touch the Hands quest a second time. I think simply listing these AF coffer pieces as rewards from the Hands quest was very misleading since the actual quest has nothing to do with the two additional armor pieces other than just activating the coffers. The description you have on the Warlock's Tabard page and other coffer AF pieces now makes some sort of sense, but before it was pretty dumb to assume people would understand where to get the pieces by simply saying Borghertz's hands quest. And also I only editted it for a second time in that page's history since the guy previous to my edit messed that part of the page up even further, which you saw with your doublerevert. --Waluigi 05:09, 26 December 2006 (EST)