Thread:Karuberu/@comment-195370-20171019155213

It's been a week since I've bothered you with anything, so let's open this can of worms!

We've briefly touched upon in the past the issue of category pages for eg "Swords" and the relevance of the information presented above the Category Listing.

I've just created Category:Misc. 3. Initially, this was because Misc. 3 wasn't being used as a Template:AH tag, yet users would need to know to look on that third page to find said items. I went through the 38 items under Misc. 3 and updated each Template:AH link. For some reason, I then thought it might be nice to collate those 38 items into their specific groups (armor and weapon upgrades), and from then it just seemed right to complete the information with links and quantities required for their specific uses in one place. Hence, there's now a helpful table above the Category Listing.

So it occurs to me I should do the same with Misc. 2 next. Fine. But where to stop?

There comes a point with the category pages for Items (weapons/armor/materials/crap) that they have dual meaning. They're both a list of what's on the AH in that category and, larger than that, a list of all things of that type. I think this conflates things somewhat and the two should be differentiated.

For example, take the page at Category:Swords, section by section.

The first part of the infers this is something to do with the AH (ugly and space-consuming imo - I think we should just be using the same single-line layout as Template:AH as I've trialled at the top of Misc. 3).

The second, a piece about what a sword is in the game.

The third part is about "Sword Skill", which is yet another matter - we have job ratings and a table about Sword Skill enhancements (which will be updated to include all Swords over lv99, by their very nature).

The fourth part is about Weaponskills. Arguably intrinsically linked to Sword Skill, though a separate subject on its own.

Then the fifth is Swords by Level (albeit currently outdated) detailing Level, dps, Stats and Jobs - a messy table that's overfull in width and will be doubly so once the i119s are on there - it hasn't aged well.

My solution: I think that, due to the size and separate content of the page, these should be split out somewhat and replaced with links.

Firstly, Category:Sword should be created based on Template:Weapon. This will categorise all swords usable by players. It should be the main Sword page, with the second part (sword blurb) and a modified fifth part (Swords by Level table), with big links to two new categories: Category:Sword Skill and Category:AH Swords.

Secondly, Category:Sword Skill should be created based on Template:Stat. Currently I've created a redirect to Category:Swords to avoid redlinks all over the newer lv99+ swords, which all have Sword Skill, but that's a band-aid more than a solution. This page also transcludes Category:Sword Weaponskills (as that's directly relevant) and has a table of all equipment that effects Sword Skill and is listed in the Category Listing.

Thirdly, Category:AH Swords should be created based on Template:AH. This lists all items on the AH under Weapons -> Swords only. A list of swords and stats wouldn't be useful here, as they would omit the Ex items, so I would be tempted to leave the page itself blank. A quick note here that currently articles appear in both Category:Weapons and Category:Swords due to Template:AH, but we should consider falling in with Wikipedia categorization guidelines and only include pages on the lowest-level categories available and not parent categories.

With regards the Swords by Level table, I feel that useful columns for sorting are Level (which should include iLv and Su1/Su2/Su3 at the very bottom), DPS, and a third column which contains the info as printed on the Item Image - namely Damage, Delay, Stats and Jobs. I think it more valuable to keep the columns all on one page with deeper rows than to have that info separate, as it is not info that would be sorted on by users, but would be searched (for specific Stats). I would propose that the first column would have the Item Image under the title text, which incorporates the ffxiah link. Finally, the Item Image is provided by #lst:|ItemPic. This is collected directly from the item page where the Item Image template is enclosed within "section begin=ItemPic /" and "section end=ItemPic /" spans as per the trial I ran on Beehive Chip. That means changes made there will automatically populate through to the table. For a visual example of the first cell I'm imagining, see as follows. The only code it uses is "ItemRow|Beehive Chip" and returns the Item Image, page link and ffxiah link based on that.

Wow, sorry, that ended up being a lot longer than I thought. I wanted to involve you, as it means a bit of modification of the categories populated by Template:AH, which I know you're chief of!

Also, botting in those sections around Template:Item Image across the site would save me considerable time.

The above example is for Category:Swords, but obvs the same applies to all weapons.

Armor doesn't have the Skill pages, but the Slot/AH divide is still relevant.

Crafting materials can be divided into AH and Craft - Craft called from Template:Synthesis etc and containing all items used in those crafts (so you'd find Distilled Water under AH Alchemy, but also under Alchemy, Goldsmithing, Smithing, Leatherworking, Cooking - all the recipes it's involved in).

I'd want to do something similar to Misc. 3 for at least Misc. and Misc. 2 and perhaps others if appropriate.

What do you think?

btw I've also created Template:AHCategory which means only the lowest level of an AH category has to be typed to list the full root. It, or its code, should be of some use when limiting items to AH subcategories and not parent categories. 