Talk:Trial Size Trial by Ice

This part is from my own experience. Most of the guides out there that tell you how to beat Shiva Prime suck! As I have not yet found an actual strategy that works, I will instead point out things that aren't true.

• You have to use your 2hr and Searing Light 2x. There are several problems with this however. Many guides claim that carbuncle will leave you with 40MP after using it once. This is untrue. He will leave you with 6. Your Yagudo drink will not be enough to keep him on the stage and ethers take too long to use to get another attack in without getting pwnd by Shiva.

• Running from Shiva (or any other avatar) after instructing Carby to use Searing light will result in a miss and no MP left. Shiva instantly aggros you with hate when you give the command.

• Not using the 2hr at all results in almost no damage done to the avitar.

• Unless you are lvl 50, you do not have access to spells like stoneskin, Protect 2, and Shell 2 as a sub WHM. It may be possible to get someone to cast some of them on you, but if this is an absolutely necessary part of the battle, then it is virtually unwinnable.

• The cost of each battle is not as low as 6k a piece. 4 High Potions (2k a piece) + 3 High-Ethers (3k a piece) + 2 Yagudo Drinks (3k a piece) + 1X Boiled Crab (2k) = 25k gill a battle (Ifrit Server prices).

While I haven't given up yet, I have no clue about how to win this battle. http://www.summoner.info <---LOSING STRATEGY.