Talk:Leaping Lizzy

Camping Lizzy
For further discussion of camping Leaping Lizzy, see the forums: [Bounding Boots]

I think the link listed above would be fine to add to the main page, at the end of the section outlining the 3 groups of 5 lizards, etc. I think it would be good to have it right there on the main page. So if you wanted to move it, I'm allin favor ^_^ --Rixie--

"When killing the placeholder from the first group, Leaping Lizzy will appear below the second group of 5 Rock Lizards in the Widescan list. When killing the placeholder from the second group, Leaping Lizzy will appear below the first group of 5 Rock Lizards in the Widescan list. "

This is not accurate.

This isn't the behavior all the time, but after going 0/15 on LL, I have seen this happen 3-4 times. Alamaxia 14:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah, that is not accurate and so I've deleted it. I also deleted the comment about Leaping Lizzy being soloed by a level 10 WAR. That comment is frankly difficult to believe, but even if it is true, it only confuses the true difficulty of this mob. Basset 16:04, 15 February 2007 (EST)


 * See testimonials > I did this the other day, look below for method.

I don't see how the comment about the level 10 WAR is incorrect. The mob isn't level 14, it's level 10-11, and when using Mighty Strikes I find it would be entirely possible. I've beaten NMs of similar level (JEJ to be precise) as a Level 10 WHM, so I don't see how it's inconceivable for a WAR10 to kill lizzy with his 2hr. --Chrisjander 13:42, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Also, when I've camped Lizzy with Widescan, if you stand in the middle of the Lizzy spawn area, you see three separate groups of five lizards, but the first group is far to the east... this group maybe misleading for some. But otherwise the removed Widescan statements were not inaccurate. I can see how some people will have difficulty keeping track of where the location of mobs will be on Widescan especially after people kill all of the lizards or neighboring mobs on the list... but Lizzy does appear at the end of where the two groups of Lizards would be on the list. --Waluigi 15:00, 16 February 2007 (EST)

I don't think the exception should be stated as the norm (soloable at level 10). Level 15 is much more realistic. I watched a level 10 DRK attempt this the other day and he made it, with considerable healing and tanking support from a 30+ WHM. Nonetheless, Lizzy is stronger than JeG, and I fought JeG as a level 9 SMN: after killing carbuncle in about 8 seconds, he three-shotted me. I didn't even get him down to 95%. Regardless, I'd put alot of money on Lizzy in a one-on-one fight against a level 10 WAR. Basset 13:26, 23 February 2007 (EST)

This NM is a beast... and she's stingy as hell. I've personally been the only one there for around 3 days now. I've claimed her every single time she has popped. ( I know this because I have 3 characters stationed there ) Currently I'm 0/14 on the boots. Though I do not 100% disagree with the fact that she MAY have 2 PHs, and she MAY in fact have 2 separate spawns which COULD pop within minutes of each other.... So far, out of the 14 spawns I have claimed in a row, every single one of them has taken exactly 1 hour and 30 minutes to the second. Literally, every single one. I've NEVER seen her spawn back to back, and I've definitely NEVER seen 3 spawns in an hour. Total, in my 5 year career of playing this game I am 0/27 on this mob, and I have spent countless hours here to no avail. There may be some differences in spawn times for others, but i've experienced no such thing. Also, as a coder, I can tell you there is probably 2 versions of this mob in the .dat files because she can spawn in 2 separate areas. Ie: East and West of the Rock Pillar. These 2 places on the map grid have 2 individual identities and thus would need 2 separate mobs to load. I can assure you, you will NEVER see 2 LLs up at the same time - even if you were to voke one and hold it for a week, it just wouldn't happen. It's there for game mechanic purposes, and nothing more. There are not 2 spawns, there is one spawn with 2 place holders. The .dats each refer to a region where she can spawn according to in-game hex coordinates... each of which have their own specific area that they cover. --Relicant 14:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Dual Spawn Theory
It is thought that there are two Leaping Lizzy spawns, each with a 2 hour timer. One Leaping Lizzy may pop any time as long as it is 2 hours after being kill last, and it is possible to have both Leaping Lizzys spawn at the same time (confirmation needed). --Ezion 20:44 March 26, 2007


 * While I have not tested this theory, it is quite possible because in the DATs there are actually two listings for Leaping Lizzy with two different IDs. This may be another theory that someone may want to test sometime.  --Wayka 19:10, 3 April 2007 (EDT)


 * From personal experience, I can confirm this; however, this is only one account and thus should not be taken for fact. Twice, when using place holder methods, Leaping Lizzy spawned and the next place holder spawn was Leaping Lizzy again, about three minutes after the previous death. This has happened twice. --Wooooodum 23:34, 29th July 2007 (GMT)


 * I have gone 0/15 so far on LL, and I am starting to believe this theory. On 5 of the initial LL spawns for me, I have had her pop again within 5-10 min at the other placeholder spot.  I will try to get a screenshot with times of death in each screenshot and post here next time this happens. Alamaxia 14:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found previuos theory to be true twice when i was camping it. After LL was killed if I immediatly kill the "other level" ph, LL was up again in 5 min. Found this to work either with LL popping from one group or the other. --Mira el dito 14:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=129;page=2;howmany=50#115757509149966001 notice the edit at the bottem of that post. considering that, and, as wayka mention, leeping lizzy IS listed in the dats twice, with seperate IDs. also, it's possible, for them to spawn within minutes of each other, that would seem to be enough evidence to prove that there are two seperate spawns.


 * Stray Mary is listed twice 2, but so far as I know only one placeholder exists. If someone can absolutely prove it 1 way or the other that'd be great. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 07:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * From my experience of camping Leaping Lizzy many times. There is NOT 2 completely different spawns. There is 1 PH, once killed, has a chance to pop Leaping Lizzy. Once LL is due to spawn, he can pop in either the group of 5 lizards east of the tower OR in the group of Lizards west of the tower. When he pops in the east he has a different DAT ID than if he spawns in the west, and are located in different positions on widescan. If he spawns in the east of the rock tower, he is located at the bottom of the east group of rock lizards on widescan, if he spawns to the west of the rock tower, he is located at the bottom of the group of west rock lizards on widescan. I have camped him many many times and he has never failed to pop in this fashion. I do know he has a chance to spawn minutes after he is killed, but this is just a habit of this particular NM, and does not change the truth of the info ive provided.--Jhromada 21:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I can say without a doubt that this is a dual spawn that alternates (unless they changed it without saying so). When I got my boots, I killed it 6/7 times with the one missing one going to a friend of mine to whom I explained the pattern. Two of those pops were back to back as in I killed LL then one PH in alternate group and LL popped again on next spawn. However, after killing back to back the next LL spawn took about an hour. Hence, my claim that every other kill is lottery after 60-90 minutes. --Claquesous 06:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I have killed LL twice nearly back to back. There are two explanations for this. 1 being that there is more than 1 PH for 1 single instance of Leaping Lizzie. The second being that there is more than 1 PH for 2 separate instances of Leaping Lizzie. Unless of course the respawn time on Rock Lizards is roughly 3~4 minutes. --Cleric-yokiko 09:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There is more than 2 explanations. Lizard repop time is 5 min. LL is true lotto. You kill LL, in 5 min when the repop happens, its either a placeholder lizard, or LL again. While their may be a 2nd placeholder, back to back pops does not prove this. This is whats happening: people don't know the lizard repop time, aren't timing the pops, it feels like 3 or 4 min, and there is LL again. Because it repopped.

And while I haven't observed it to be so myself, it is possible LL might be able to pop in place of any lizard repop while the 1 proven placeholder is down. That would also explain things. Who failed to click the button last time.


 * Bringing his paraphrases to a one-liner: If there is one placeholder in each of the two groups, and if both are killed within 10 minutes from each other, there is the possibility that LL spawns from one, is killed, and spawns from the other, thus seeming to be two LLs. --Elvaron 07:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Not what I was saying. LL can repop as fast as 5 min. People aren't timing it exactly, and assuming their must be a 2nd PH. There may be a 2nd, but a fast repop doesn't prove it. 2nd possibility is still 1 PH, meaning that lizard must die for LL to pop, but then during the time its down LL pop at any time any other lizard would have (I know of no NM's at all proven to work that way however). I'm just saying theres a lot of possibilities to explain fast repops. I haven't seen a scenario happen that can't also fit into a 1 PH situation yet. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 11:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither have I. I'm RNG75 and have camped a lot of NMs, whenever i do, i try to find the one true placeholder. Have never seen an NM pop from 2 seperate mobs before.--Jhromada 10:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, just to lend to this discussion. There are 2 LLs in the .dat files. The .dat files read the same as the mobs appear in the Widescan job ability. Using a Hex editor to change the placeholder name to something definitively trackable like "KILL ME" I & II, you can watch via Widescan the placement and behavior of the NMs and Placeholders. Each LL has its own placeholder in each of the groups and they are timed seperately from each other. I have attempted to spawn them simultaneously, with no success...so even though they have different IDs, you will never see 2 LLs running around S. Gustaburg. This explains pops that occur 2 minutes apart from each other, which I have witnessed with my wife. As far as Stray Mary, there are also 2 different spawn radii for her as well, each with their own PH and NM. If you just camp one of the PH groups exclusively, you will only pop THAT groups NM, and the same applies for the other group. One group is in the far north of the spawn radius listed on FFXI Atlas, and the other is at the south. This I have also done. Let me also say that I do not recommend doing this for anything other than testing purposes, it is against the ToS. Hope this helps. InsertNameHere 00:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Each with own PH and NM..There is no proof of this claim, people have killed the supposed second placeholder and cannot confirm the 1 known and accepted PH wasn'talso killed. Those 2 min pops aren't. I've camped this NM's silly, clocked the exact repop times for PHs and what you describe has never happened once. But party members have been all "It was only 2 min!" And I'd have to tell them no, the clock says that was 5 min. Which happens to be the repop time for lizards. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 20:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe there are also dual spawns. My sister and I were camping LL for about 3 hours and hadn't seen it (someone could have quickie killed and fled, I'm not sure) when someone shows up out of nowhere and kills it on the WEST side. So my sister goes to bed and I stay up, along with the person who claimed the last one. The thief and I both ONLY kill the EAST side placeholders. Occasionally people would kill the west ones but we never went down there. After about 30 minutes, LL spawned on the EAST, opposite side of the last spawn, and I killed and got the drop for my sister. What a present to wake up to. :) Chrissie 10:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC) I'm having a hard time making heads-or-tails out of what everyone's saying, but I can confirm seeing this layout on widescan earlier if anyone would like to interpret it:

Group 1: Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Leaping Lizzy Group 2: Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Rock Lizard Rock Lizard ...by which I mean that both groups had five lizards in it. The 5th Rock Lizard popped BEFORE Leaping Lizzy. 20:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: On Widescan (at this very moment) BOTH GROUPS have FIVE lizards! There are definitely two placeholders. 20:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to further support the dual spawn theory. Just now, I've been camping Good ol' Lizzy all night... I've been using the place holder theory listed on the main page. That is, the place holders are the last on the list of 5 lizards... Two place holders in total, with two groups. I kept killing them over and over and finally Lizzie popped. She popped to the west of the mountain thing after I killed the east of the mountain PH. No drop so I stayed. Then I immediately killed the PH to the west of the mountain and five minutes later she popped again to the east of the mountain! --ReachForTheMoon 10:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

True lotto
I've seen lizzy pop 8 times back to back. Its not a 2hr timer. Its true lottery. Anytime the PH would spawn the NM can spawn. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 22:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

By 8 times back to back, do you mean in the span of about 30 minutes or as in killed back to back on 8 separate occasions? 8 separate occasions is entirely possible. I've done it myself once on the one occasion I camped her for more than one pop. --Claquesous 06:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. The claim is that every other LL pop is on a 60-90 minute timer. Back to back pops can come in under five minutes. --Claquesous 06:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

1 camping session. Nobody else around. Got the place to myself (yay!). 8 LL, no placeholder repop between, LL just repopped. 8 times. Then on pop 9 PH and not LL. Even if there is more than 1 PH, there is no way you'd see 8 repops back to back with a 2 hrs timer involved. When it takes a long time before the next LL pop, its just bad luck. When she pops again real fast, its just good luck. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 11:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

This is most definitely a true lotto. I've seen it pop 3 times in 20-30 minutes. What I've also noticed that yes it can pop either amongst the east group of lizards or in the west group, it seems to alternate between the two; ie, if it pops on the east side of the pillar, the next spawn will be on the west side, and so on. I'm pretty sure this is true, been camping it for days now, got claim 5 times today alone, still no drop tho :/ - Redex 23:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Just got my boots. Saw Lizzy 6 times within a 2 hour period. One time she popped 2x in a row (5 minutes apart exactly). I followed the PH very closely and Lizzy was always right on target. (FTR, I went 1/6 on boots drop and added this into the drop rate template). --Impax 06:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Maximum Time Theory
Word on Remora is that Leaping Lizzy will Autospawn if he hasn't spawned within 4 hours of his last spawn. Since this is difficult to prove, I'm just going to make a note of this rumor here on the discussion forum.

While likely not something to ponder about, I felt I should make a note of it, in case someone can prove or disprove this rumor.

~Starlight~

I think this would be almost impossible to prove because you'd have to prevent anyone from killing the PH for four hours which would probably require breaking the ToS. --Claquesous 06:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Quite a few occasions I've been the only camper for up to 5 hrs. But resisting that "theres the PH kill kill kill!!" impulse would be hard. And after several years I finally have my boots, so I'm out. --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 11:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

About the potential edit war
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Special:ProblemReports/6646  (I didn't make the problem report, just posted my comments to it) --1.quos.vita.habitum.captivus 05:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not gonna change the article anways. But we should change the line saying "After killing Leaping Lizzy in one area she may be the next pop in the other area meaning she can spawn twice in a short span of even 25 minutes." into "... in a short span of even 10 minutes." since that is the respawn time for Lizzards. Of course, without graphical proof my statement can as easily be discarded by claiming that i'm a liar. Just saying, if there are not 2 LLs, there is at least the chance it spawns again after 10 Minutes. Although I dont have a screenshot, I have the log file of that day. [21:49:33]Paffo defeats Leaping Lizzy. [22:03:10]Elvaron hits Leaping Lizzy for 92 points of damage. That doesn't prove Dual Spawn Theory, it just proves that it can spawn within Lizzard Respawn Time. Meaning after LL dead, killing next Place Holder can once again spawn LL, so 10 Minutes is probably the lowest amount of time between 2 LL spawns unless Dual Spawn is true. I also deleted my previous statements because they were partly incorrect. --Elvaron 15:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)0

Witnessed Leaping Lizzy Pop 3 times within an hour time-frame.

11:45~ AM CST, 12:00~ PM & 12:25 PM, & Another 1:04PM

March 22nd, 2008 3rd Died Windsday/Full Moon 93% (Pandemonium)

I am possitive now to the theory that it could very well be a "True Lottery" pop.


 * Note: The .dat files do list two seperate Leaping Lizzy's and two seperate placeholders.  Many have stated as above that there is not two but only one placeholder, but the .dat files show differently.  As such, it is much more likely that there are actually two placeholders and two Leaping Lizzy's, but they pop off of each other and therefore are never up at the same time.

Simply put, there's an easy way to prove whether there's more than one placeholder. If there's only one placeholder but two places it can spawn then the NM could spawn in either place or even within say the east or west grouping and still have all 5 lizards up in that group. This has not happened. If LL were a true lottery spawn with one placeholder he could spawn multiple times within an hour (again, true lottery) and spawn with any group regardless of numbering. No one has ever seen Leaping Lizzy spawn three times within an hour period. That would denote true lottery. Therefore, LL has two placeholders and is not lottery but set within a timed 1-8 hours period. That said, the NM itself has never been seen up at the same time as its double, so they must have coordinating windows, one can't pop while the other is up.


 * Confirmation of spawning!!**

Along with thee recently witnessed 3 within an hour, watched LL spawn in open bottom group spawn when PH time was up on top group. Top group PH did not spawn. No one was paying attention, so I waited for 5 full minutes and LL stayed up in second groups 5th spot meanwhile the 5th spot on the top group stayed empty. Couple that with the "True Lottery" idea and that means that LL can spawn in either groups 5th spot if that spot is open, but only if the PH, the first groups 5th lizard, has been killed. The final confirmation for this would require that one hunt LL by killing the 5th lizard in the bottom group only and the 5th lizard for the top group stay unkilled. Hunt it like that for something like 8-12 hours with no LL spawn and it's 100% confirmed. However, as it stands it's highly likely that this is the case.

OMG people, there is only 1 PH, I can care less what the damn dats say, i have camped this NM over and over, and only pops from the ONE mob. Why dont u go try it yourself instead of assume there is 2 because of what the dats say.Jhromada 05:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering the .dats are what make up the game, I think they're a rather reliable source. --Azulmagia 12:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Popped it 5 times today, Eastern group PH only, but LL spawned at the bottom of both groups randomly. Nobody else was killing lizards. It also spawned twice in a row - the PH failed to appear at scheduled time after an LL kill - then another LL appeared a few minutes (possibly 5) later. Tonyleung 02:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

My Thoughts / Input / Experience
I've popped Leaping Lizzy 7 times today (Thanksgiving night, 2008), there has been MINIMAL activity in South Gustaberg, and I've kept really good track of the lizards. I'll give you some of the facts and what I've deduced from them... For information - I'm using a clock with a second hand and recording the exact time that the place holder in the west and east camps are killed each time. (I know, I have no life...)

First, I've noticed (using widescan) that on one occasion, when the placeholder was due to spawn in the east camp, Leaping Lizzy spawned in the west camp (at nearly the exact time the placeholder was supposed to spawn in the east camp), when the placeholder for the west camp was NOT due to be up for another 2 minutes. Also, when this happened, the placeholder in the East did not respawn for 5 minutes after Leaping Lizzy died. I thought this was a mistake by me, but it happened again, 3 pops later, but this time, the place holder was due to spawn in the west camp, and Leaping Lizzy spawned in the east camp. In both these cases, the place holder at the opposite camp was down. So, my conclusion is this - when Leaping Lizzy is due to spawn in place of the place holder, it can spawn in the opposite camp IF that place holder is down.

Second, I've read people stating that they've killed Leaping Lizzy three times in 1 hour, and I too have done this - with no apparent changes. However, today, I killed Leaping Lizzy twice in 14 minutes, (which people have also done) first in the east camp, then in the west camp. Upon killing the second Leaping Lizzy, I noticed this - Neither of the camps spawned a 5th lizard for another 30 minutes. I checked plenty of times, and there wasn't anybody killing lizards. I checked every 15 seconds or so for that half hour, with no 5th lizard spawn. Then, simultaneously, a 5th lizard spawned at BOTH camps - this corresponded to 45 minutes plus or minus a minute from the time that I killed the first Leaping Lizzy. This happened a second time, but this time, I killed a lizard spawned from the placeholder in the West camp first, then the east camp, 28 minutes apart. Upon doing so, there was again about 17 minutes during which a 5th lizard did NOT spawn at either camp. My deduction is this - if Leaping Lizzy has spawned from a placeholder in both camps (I believe what matters is not WHERE the Leaping Lizzy spawns, but which placeholder it spawns from [Keeping in mind that I am 99% sure that placeholders can spawn a Leaping Lizzy in the opposite camp]) within 45 minutes, Leaping Lizzy cannot respawn, so in order to prevent this, the place holders are not even dropped. This both supports and destroys the idea of a "True lottery" for Leaping Lizzy. If my thought is correct, it is a true lottery IF the place holders are up, but there is also a built in pop time.

One final note: I just killed Leaping Lizzy twice in 23 minutes, both spawned from the East camp, and the place holders continued to spawn. So apparently, my thought only works if Leaping Lizzy is killed that is spawned from a placeholder in the East and West camp. Otherwise, it is not affected - or else the other two occurrences were flukes - which I HIGHLY doubt.

(Currently have 10 Leaping Lizzy kills and zero boots to show for it...) -Immmatinyman of Asura on 11/28/08 at 12:50 AM.

I did it on a mule. Saw 3 spawns in the east camp, 1 in the north camp, and zero in the west camp. Claimed 3 of them and have zero drops to show for it. Ayrlie 11:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Nyzul Isle
I would think its quite possible that all the "double" NM files that a lot of you are finding are the same named NM's in Nyzul Isle.

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DATs are by zone, Leaping Lizzy dats for Nyzul Isle are contained in the Nyzul Isle zone. Nekura 16:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Nyzul
Also, Thsi dat file was around years beforeNyzul was even created, I have seen it myself with a mob reader. Rinnsi 01:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC) Rinnsi


 * it IS possible for LL to pop as a 6th lizard in either of the first 2 groups of 5 when its PH is due to repop have personally seen it do this twice first time was on 1/10/09 might be a recent change.
 * I've noticed that happen twice on 1/26/09, while the fifth lizard was still on the respawn (according to Sharpshot and Sekkanoki timers, approx. 1:35 until next respawn). I wouldn't quite say it's the new norm for Lizzy's spawn patterns, but I suppose it requires more observation.

LL has two spawn positions, but only one can be active at once. Based on the testimonials above, it would appear that the placeholders can trigger either LL spwan.-- 04:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Testimonials

 * Monk soloable at 8 with Hundred Fists.
 * However, Monk at 7 with all capped skill(except guard) was horribly killed in 4-hit by it even with Hundred Fists.


 * Thief soloable at 8-9 with Perfect Dodge.
 * Warrior Soloable at level 10, with no support job using sword and shield. Putting this back in, I just did it on my Galka. Fought mobs in the area to gain a Daedalus Wing and one Antidote before hand. Engaded with 122% TP, used Mighty Strikes, WS, wing, WS and then melee'd it down. Antidote was unused and I finished the battle with ~30HP. 1/1... Albeniz 16:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Soloable by Beastmaster at 11 with White Mage subjob. Possible with potions.
 * Soloable by a NIN16/WAR8 without any problem.
 * Tricky solo by SMN75/THF15, started out with Garuda Predator Claws, NM is a bit squishy though as it killed it in one hit, all in all from what I gathered he didnt have that great Accuracy, might be an idea to bring /BLM to use Blind so as to prevent any hits from landing --Taruzard 15:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Killable at level 5 with PL healing you outside party. (boots @ 90% drop rate)

Leaping Lizzy will be slightly larger than the surrounding Rock Lizards.
...Isnt that true with almost EVERY NM? <.< --Taruzard 15:41, October 24, 2009 (UTC)