Talk:Gatherer of Light (I)

To settle this:
 * Drop rate from Goblins: 
 * Drop rate from anything else: 

Walkthrough (edits)
Check the ??? located at the center of (F-5) to pop Vegnix Greenthumb and defeat him to obtain the Seedspall Roseum.

Level Requirement..?
Killed about 80+ Goblins on Rolanberries and my friend is still unable to get a pop-keyitem. We tried everything inside party, outside party.. and 100% in range.. and yes, she is on the "Gatherer of Light (I)" mission. She is lv51 and hasnt done Genkai 3 yet. Anyone else sharing similar problems? >.<;; XOliver 14:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Never mind.. just got it randomly on 100+ kill.. allthough it makes no sense at all x,x XOliver 15:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I was killing gobs with a friend, killed two and got the drop for him (he was halfway across the map). I used the WHM Job Ability Aflatus Solace and could not get the drop for myself. After about 100 mobs (give or take a few) I switched to Aflatus Misery and got the drop on my second goblin. There may be a glitch in the system that prevents drops if Solace is active. User:WolfeMasters 16:00, 11 April 2009 (EST)

Farming Goblins to get the key item with two characters (second on auto-follow). Obtained the key item on first character, but not the second. Killed several more Goblins, second character still not able to get it. Finally, did an /assist on another goblin and obtained the key item. It appears that eminity may be a factor. --Bluplanet 21:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Pop-Keyitem / Trigger-Goblins
I've been told that you'd best solo the NM as the key item randomly drops to any member of your party/alli. Anyone have any evidence for this? --Headache 07:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone who needs this done needs to pop him. Just killed him in a pt of 3, only the person who popped it got the key item.--Lightningcount 07:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect information. You only need to kill the NM once for however many people are in your party. In order to get the Seedspall item however you must have gotten the Goblin food item first. For example in Batallia Downs you need to get the Bowl of bland Goblin salad for each person in the party and then any person can pop the NM, kill it, and everyone who had the Bowl of bland Goblin salad will get the Seedspall Roseum. --Malitia 05:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

We both got pop item, but he popped the NM and we both got Seedspall from NM in Sauramogue--Seanross

Yeah apparently you dont need to kill him multiple times, however everyone needs the pop item to get the seedspall.--Lightningcount 08:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about the killing blow statement. I was just in a party with 2 other people, 1 of which already had the key item. As I was running around I suddenly got the item followed by the text saying I was out of range of the monster just killed. Either it was delayed from the previous kill or I got the key item from the gob the other party member killed. This needs to be verified but it very well could drop to a random party member. Focant 07:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

This DID happen to me, I'd just killed a gob, no message on my screen, DRG asks if I just got item. I hadn't, but he did. My key dropped to him somehow, seems a bit screwy, but I was there when it happened... --Headache 08:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that obtaining the key item is random for each party member within exp range.-- 08:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I got a Bowl of bland Goblin salad off of a Sabertooth Tiger in Batallia Downs. --Raikenshi 02:19, 9 April 2009 Webcam Pic(/cry im a ps2er)


 * Were you partied with anyone at the time, Raikenshi? This is important.  If you were, then they could've killed a gob and you got the drop.  See other statements above.  --Starcade 22:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, I was solo for collecting all these items and killing all NMs, did on my drk/blm for teh warp lol. Might have been a glitch, dunno, but I only killed a few tigers b/c the gobs were being camped like mad at the time. Though it seems like it should be goblins, and I didn't bother testing again after finishing ACP, so I won't argue having the article say goblins. --Raikenshi 01:18, 12 April 2009

"Pop items stay in possession after the NM dies, but cannot be reused by a player to pop the NM again once you have recieved the Seedspall key item. There is another use for those pop items, though. " This was stated on the main page but i'm on First BCNM Mission and i went back to help friends accidently clicked ??? and spawned the NM then to test it i try'd another ??? and spawned the Next NM Again!--Trunxrdm 07:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the key item that is dropped from the regular mobs, aka, the food items, I do not believe they can be obtained by ANY mob. Goblin only. A couple reasons. One, in the description, they are goblin made, which should hint that goblins carry them. Two, I killed untold scores of non-goblin mobs, and never received the key item. In Sauramogue. Then I killed eight goblins, and received it.

Also, I helped friends obtain the same key item, killing goblins. They were nowhere near me at the time, and received the food key item from my kill. Also, that same friend spawned and killed the NM for the Seedspall key item while I was literally on the opposite side of the map, and I received the Seedspall key item.

It is necessary to have the food key item in your Temp. Key Items in order to receive the Seedspall, but I do not believe it necessary to be within a certain range. Also, if you have the food key item, and you're in the party that kills the NM for the Seedspall, you will receive the Seedspall key item. It doesn't randomly choose people in the party to give it to. If five of you have the food item, and you spawn and kill it, five of you will get the seedspall item. Atleast, that's how it worked for me and my friends. {EDIT} I tested receiving either key item, Food and Seedspall, and the range necessary. My friend received both his key items despite being nowhere near either slain mob. You just have to be in party, not in range! -- Taomage 9:48 AM, 11 April 2009 (EST)

Same results here, editing article to save fellow players a lot of time. Alrehn 14:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

took me about 5 hours to get my first key item to drop. what i have noticed so far with one left to go is the gobs near the area where the nm is spawned (atleast for me) tend to drop the key item much quicker.. could just be luck.. but thats what i noticed. 1 gob kill near jugner zone and 6 gobs near CN. as far as the nm's go each so far has had less then 1500 hp. so cake for a 75. Ryeshinyih 06:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC) EDIT took a long time to get the final one but i decided to follow suit and go near GC. so i used the Maw and killed a few up on the cliff where the nm spawns and i got key item relatively quickly. took about 6-7 gobs to get the key item. Ryeshinyih 08:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I went around killing all mobs in all 3 of the zones. 2 of them I was solo, 1 in a party. Ended up getting key item from a gob in each zone. I spent at least 1 hour killing in each zone. --Autun 09:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Summoner 61 here! I killed easily the spwaned goblins with a single carby. --♥Binahel♥  Talk-♥  12:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Possible Glitch
Just in case this happens to anyone else: I popped Vegnix Greenthumb, about halfway through the fight a Goblin Pathfinder and his pet linked in. I finished off Vegnix without any trouble but didn't get the key item. I continued killing the Pathfinder and then his pet while thinking about possible solutions to the problem, but after I killed the Goblin and his pet I received the key item. -User:Leithe


 * I also had this happen to me. I linked a Goblin Leecher and I had to kill the Leecher to get the key item.--Ceolwulf 20:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Squintrox Dryeyes
can anyone confirm if Squintrox Dryeyes has anything to do with this? He offers Crimson Key and Viridian Key. --Dressi 04:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

thats for items out of the chest in tenshodo apparently.

For mission, there's ??? in same zone you get key item in, that you examine after you have key item & fight NM gobs and they drop the shards. --Waku 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to only farm one item and get the key item for a whole party/alliance like cards for limbus? --Headache 06:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoever has fought the NM's, what is there relative strength? Rollinwinds 07:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)Rollinwinds


 * NM went down in a matter of seconds as 75 DD. I have to say less than 1500hp. --zarrgoth 11:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I killed all 3 solo as a 71 DNC/NIN with no trouble whatsoever, only one even managed to hit enough break through my initial 3 shadows, and they all went down quickly, besides the Thief (Which was only a result of waiting out Perfect Dodge). My guess is that these can be easily defeated solo by anyone 65+, possibly lower. -Siluvaine 05:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

As far as Squintrox goes:
 * You get to keep the key items from this mission, even after getting your quest item.... Get all the quest items and then trade your key items for the Viridian Key and try to find a Viridian Chest. Since you have fought your NMs the key items are useless now, right?  Also, after you have done the previous quest, you can try to re-farm those for the Crimson Key and try it on the Crimson Chest, after you find it...  These are, of course, guesses.--Dijidl 09:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I spoke with Squintrox after I had gotten all 6 key items for the mission, 3 key items from the normal gobbies and 3 key items from the forced spawn NM gobbies. When I selected the Viridian Key from the list it gave me a message stating that the quest would come under a time restriction.  I declined to receive the key due to the in-game problems with finishing the mission.  I'm going to try after the fight and see what happens.
 * Also, there is definitely a Red (Crimson) Treasure Coffer in The Tenshodo. When selecting it, it will ask what expansion/add-on scenario you are using a key from and lists not only the current one but the upcoming one's as well.  I selected the Crystalline Prophecy but didn't not have a Crimson Key and it said I don't have the approriate key to unlock.  I will re-farm the items for both keys and try again, later.  I will move this part of the edit to a more appropriate place later.--Dijidl 20:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Goblin Pets
While killing goblins in Batallia Downs, I found that goblins pets, as well as the goblins themselves, are able to drop the key items to pop the NMs (And I assume that goblin pets in the other zones will drop their respective pop items as well, assuming there are BST-type goblins there.)

You can see in this screenshot (complete with timestamp) that I got the key item after defeating a Goblin's Dragonfly -Siluvaine 04:40, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll confirm this. I also got my Bowl of bland Goblin salad after defeating a Goblin's Dragonfly as well. I killed the Goblin Pathfinder with Vorpal Blade first. --Ralrra 14:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Non-goblin drops
I have yet to see a screenshot or claim on any forum or site that enemies other than goblins or goblin pets can be defeated to gain the key items. Someone reported killing over 100 non-goblin, non-pet mobs and received nothing, yet most accounts for goblin kills would put the "drop" rate much higher. I put a verification tag on the note about it, and someone should definitely try to confirm it if they think they do indeed drop from all enemies.--Tsukinomahou 12:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't have screenshot - but got salad off a tiger. Drop rate is just really low.

I have a screenshot - got grub off a Tabar Beak. User:Leithe

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs005.snc1/2808_1139578167202_1159831312_30416593_1182059_n.jpg

Another screenshot - got salad off a Strolling Sapling, note that I killed a Goblin as well but it didn't drop it, the sapling did! User:Leithe

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs005.snc1/2808_1140020698265_1159831312_30418076_3878031_n.jpg


 * I have a screenshot of our group getting one off a Skink. We also got one off a beetle earlier.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/thies7/ffxi_20090411_174153-1.jpg

-Thiez

Thanks for the posts everyone. It's always good to be sure about these things. Everyone else please stop editing it to say "goblins" now that there's proof, thanks.--Tsukinomahou 12:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's still getting edited to say 'goblins' instead of 'enemies'. Please stop doing this, I just changed it back again plus some minor edits. Edit: Added verification tag to drop rate, as it's still unclear if the drop rate is better for goblins or non-goblin mobs or if it's actually the same. Especially since for along time people refused to acknowledge they even dropped off of other mobs. -User:Leithe

Both of these screenshots are done in party, where all party members were away from each other. I still have yet to see one screenshot of a non-goblin drop done solo (the Sapling one above may be attributed to lag, a goblin was killed earlier). What I honestly believe is happening here is someone is killing a non-goblin around the same time someone else in their party is killing a goblin, and thus loads seeming as such. I've done tons of fanned out party farming (dynamis come to mind), and the message about being out of range when a mob is killed does show up later then when it actually happens, and in the case of the second screenshot it is clearly a goblin (gil drop). I farmed the key items on my main char and my mule not fanning out for kills, and I can assure you I must have killed 200 non-gobs and failed to recieve the key item. Show me a screenshot of a solo non-gob dropping, and I will be convinced. Untill then, its just heresay.--Nynja 18:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you look up (under the 'Goblin Pets' header), I posted a screenshot getting it from a goblin pet, while not in a party. Also, Thiez posted a screenshot which shows a timestamp of the key item dropping at the exact second the last hit landed on the skink (You can see later two 'You are too far from the battle to gain experience' notes, but there was none at the time the key item was obtained. --Siluvaine 05:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Screenshot getting the key item off a Diving Beetle, solo.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj234/mandze/beetle.jpg

--Mandze 22:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well played, SE must have ninja altered it during one of those maintenance's. Oh well, lucky everyone else :) --Nynja 05:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

tested current thoughts
In party got all 3 drops we are all level 75. 3 different mobs families not just gobbins Didn't share drop took 82 mobs. for all 3 drops. -User:Kewitt:kewitt

Stop Editing the Page
Obviously the key items drop from mobs other than just goblins. I see three people claiming this and two screenshots. Stop editing it to say it's just goblins, it's not. -User:Leithe

I think it's fair to edit the page to add recommendations that there appears to be a significantly higher drop rate from Goblins than other types of monsters. To state that it comes from "enemies" is misleading when players come here for information on how to do these quests in the most efficient manner possible. -User:Rapsket

I don't mind if someone wants to calculate a drop rate from goblins and non-goblins, it's just that no one has done the testing for it yet and therefore isn't accurate. As for your other comment, 'enemies' is more accurate than 'goblins'. In the time this was going on, goblins were being overcamped, so it was more efficient to kill other mobs because there wasn't any goblins to be found. -User:Leithe

I never stated that you should change it to -just- goblins. Just add an anecdote that the drop rate seems to be higher from goblins than other creatures. And as far as over camping of goblins, would that not be an indication that people were having a much higher success rate with goblins than with other mobs despite the fact that the key item could drop from everything? -User:Rapsket

There is a statement about the drop rate being higher for goblins already - whether it's true or not I've no idea. Overcamping goblins only means that lots of people didn't know that they dropped from other mobs. You want to know why they didn't know? The mission log only stated goblins and at the time so did the Wiki. As stated before I don't care if someone wants to calculate a drop rate. Please do, I'd love to know what the drop rate on this thing is. But at this point in time, it's all hearsay. No one has any facts!! I'd love to be able to say one or the other. Can you honestly tell me, with proof, that goblins have a better drop rate personally? There's been too much stupidity with this article already, I'd rather not confuse the community any further. -User:Leithe


 * The mission log itself is talking about the "stones" aquired by a gob, says nothing about the food. Though it seems logical that they carry this food, rather than other creatures. ~ juni66 13:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the "proof" however non empirical as it may be would be in the testimonies of the people posting on this board. Upwards of 100+ non goblin mobs with little sucess, versus people who received the item in 1-10 from goblins. That would put the item feasibly at 1-3% for non goblins, and perhaps as high as 10% off of goblins. However you want to slice it, the people on this board are proof enough. As far as a "personal" account, I recieved my key items 1/1 in rolanberry, 1/6 in champaigne, and 1/3 in batallia. But that wont be "proof" enough to satisfy you anyways. -User:Rapsket


 * Testimonies can be misleading for a number of reasons (for example, exaggeration and selective testing). This is something that can, and should, be empirically tested.-- 12:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, however I would counter that what we DO need is selective testing. Clearly we're testing two different things: Drop rate on Goblins, versus non-goblins. Testimonies are the best we've got at this point. I guess it comes down to whether you -actually- believe what people post here as results. Nynja was quite adamant that goblin drops were the only way to obtain them, and now we have at -least- 3 different individuals that have screen shots and testimonies (with numbers) claiming otherwise. I agree BETTER empirical testing should be done, but to discount the information on this page is like discounting a vote because you don't like the result. Information posted on a wiki is the combined result of ONLY testimony - regardless if it falls under the scope of empirical testing. -User:Rapsket

I'm not real sure why you're picking a fight with me. I've already said I don't care what the outcome of the drop rates is. Yet you keep bringing it back up.. I don't really understand it. Anyway, since you seem to want me to play devil's advocate: You've only got one side of the drop rates, and one person's experience isn't the same as another person's. Heck, TH might even factor in, skewing the results. I don't know. I don't care! -User:Leithe

I'm not "picking a fight". I don't care if you don't care about drop rates. What this section of the wiki is about, is the wording of "enemies" versus "only goblins" or "- but goblins have a notably different drop rate." You're right. We only have one side of the coin. In fact, we light of the development that non-goblins can drop said items, we have overwhelming numbers and evidence to put towards the -start- of a drop rate calculation for non-goblins. Clearly we need more information, but again, what is really the cause for this part of the page is the fact that people keep changing the wiki. Right now, there is a section at the bottom which requires verification. That's fine, but how many people read to the very bottom of the section in the general population? People I've talked to claim the wiki is wrong for various reasons like "I've been killing everything in the zone for half an hour and nothing" but after pressing them for more information, they claim to have only killed 2-3 goblins because they were over camped. Suggesting that they go try to claim goblins only, they come back 5 minutes later having successfully obtained the item. What is needed is more clarity. "enemies" is the most general and least accurate term because while true, it provides the least amount of usable efficient information. We like clarity. I would offer that something be appended directly to those lines to add more. -User:Rapsket

Oddity: I got the Rolanberry key item while my FunguarFamiliar was still fighting an Ochu on my screen. The "Obtained key item" message came 7 seconds before the "defeats" message, and there were two "FunguarFamiliar hits the Ochu" messages after I got the key item. This was 12 seconds after the previous mob, a Goblin Leecher, was defeated. So I'm not sure which mob I got the drop from. --Valyana 17:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated correction
There's a bit of a fallacy on the page that I wanted to correct, but can't with the lock: the food items can be used to repop the NMs, but you must wait until the next Earth day, making repeating the next mission a bit easier. --Sherinmir 00:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Is that if you fail the mandy BC? or is it just to kill the NM again for fun? I know you lose the HQ key items after failing the Mandy BC, and you can repop the NM's using the old NQ items just fine.


 * It's so you can re-do the mandragora fight that is in the next mission for another amber key each real life day. You can keep the same goblin food key items and just keep doing the goblin NMs and then the mandragora fight each new day for another amber key.--Tsukinomahou 12:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)